tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Sat Jun 26 07:17:18 1999

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Re: RE: KLBC bom cha'DIch 'e' qon - ghItlh wa'DIch

I have the same problem with {jeylu'be'} that pagh had with 
{jeybe'}. It still means "One does not defeat". It sounds 
frustrating. Of course, the BEST way to indicate one who is 
never defeated is to come up with something like... well... 
charghwI', for instance. {{:)>

If this is supposed to be a song title sung by the one who is 
not defeated, I'd recommend {vIjeylu'be'}. Make it personal. 
Tell us whom is not defeated with a verb prefix or pronoun if 
not a noun. Make it clear, from the person-reference of the 
voice of the song/poem.

charghwI' 'utlh

On Sat, 26 Jun 1999 03:08:05 -0400 Eric Andeen <> 

> jatlh Qanqor:
> > pong'a'lIjvaD maQoch jIH pagh je. "fragment" 'oH 'e'
> > vIyaj 'ej mIwvam vInaD. 'ach <<jeybe'>> qaq law'
> > <<jeyHa'>> qaq law', "undefeated" rur 'e' DaHechchugh.
> mu'tlhegh naQ 'oHbe'chugh, qay'be'. 'ach Qapchu'be' <jeyHa'>, <jeybe'> je.
> pongvam vIlaDDI', jeybe' Sub'e' qelbogh bom 'e' vIpIH. Sub'e' jeybe' vay'
> 'e' vIQub 'e' Hech qonwI', qar'a'? bomvaD QIvba' pong wa'DIch vIchupbogh,
> 'ach nIv <jeylu'be'>.
> The problem is not that it is a fragment. The problem is that when I read
> <jeybe'> or <jeyHa'>, my reaction is that the hero does not defeat whatever
> it is that he is struggling with, not that he himself is not defeated. My
> first suggestion (vay''e' jeybe'lu'bogh) was obviously not a good name for a
> song, but <jeylu'be'> is.
> pagh
> Beginners' Grammarian

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