tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Mon Aug 23 14:06:11 1999
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RE: Learning like children [KLBC?]
- From: "Andeen, Eric" <[email protected]>
- Subject: RE: Learning like children [KLBC?]
- Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:06:16 -0700
> ja' [pongDaj vIlIj]:
> > yInlIj tIqjaj 'ej bIchepjaj! 'ach bIHeghtaHvIS, bIHaghjaj!
> jIja'
> This should be <tIqjaj yInlIj ...>, unless of course you have a glass in
> your raised hand. Toasts in Klingon have special grammar, putting the verb
> *after* the subject rather than before it, but this grammar applies only
to
> toasts, and not every sentence with <-jaj> on the verb.
ja' pIl'o':
> pagh,
> I've never seen this rule before, or if I did the concept got lost
> somewhere.
> yabwIjvo' Hop De'Heyvetlh.
> chaq vIlIjchu'pu'mo' yabwIj ghoDlu'ta'.
I think you have your cause/effect relationship backwards here:
chaq yabwIj ghoDlu'mo' vIlIjchu'pu'.
> [if <naQ> means "be full, entire", is there a verb for "be full,
> stuffed"? As <chIm> means "be empty, deserted", would <chImHa'>
> mean "be populated" and could it also denote "be full", as in
> "to fill a thing to its capacity"?]
Also from KGT: <buy'> - "be full, be filled up". Okrand told someone
(DloraH, I believe) specifically that one would not say <jIbuy'> after a
large mean, but that <buy' burghwIj> would make perfect sense. As such,
<buy' yabwIj> is probably fine.
This is also part of the slang phrase <buy' ngop>, meaning "good news!; it's
good to hear that." (literally "the plates are full").
> Where is this rule discussed/explained in canon sources?
The toast thing is discussed in KGT in the regional variation section. All
toasts (and only toasts) follow this special grammar, except in one
particular region (I don't remember which one).
pagh
Beginners' Grammarian
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