tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Mon Nov 09 09:18:42 1998
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Re: RE: KLBC Shakespears Sisters lyrics.
- From: "William H. Martin" <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: RE: KLBC Shakespears Sisters lyrics.
- Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 12:18:36 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
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On Fri, 6 Nov 1998 11:03:14 -0800 (PST) Steven Boozer
<[email protected]> wrote:
...
> Good question: {qoy'} has never been used in canon. {tlhob}, however, has
> been
> and we know it can take an object:
This is very interesting, since the examples include PK's use of
{tlhob} as a verb of speech, since it preceeds the quotation, is
in the format of a direct quote and does not use {'e'}, and is
then used as the second verb in Sentence As Object in KGT in
what could be either a direct or indirect quote, depending upon
whether the person who is the object of {tlhob} is the same
person addressed in the quotation itself.
> lutlhob: naDevvo' vaS'a'Daq majaHlaH'a'?
> They ask him, "Can we get to the Great Hall from here?" PK
Obviously, this is a direct quote and the colon is your
punctuation, not Okrand's. The object is the person addressed.
> juDev 'ej Dujvam ra'wI' DagheS 'e' vItlhob
> I ask you to lead us as commander of this ship
> ("I request that you lead us and that you assume the duties of
> commander of this ship.") KGT
This is an example of Okrand using what I can only interpret
as an indirect quotation. He uses {'e'} and the object of
{vItlhob} is the quotation, not the person addressed. It is
handled as if {tlhob} is simply not a verb of speech, but
instead is a verb which acts upon requests. The object is the
request, which is the previous sentence.
> qatlhob
> I ask you. (ST-Continuum Klingon Lesson)
Here, it is back to being a verb of speech with the person
addressed as the object.
Very interesting. Likely it can be used either way. While used
as a verb of speech, its object is the person addressed. While
used with the request as object, it is not treated as a verb of
speech.
> .. as can {poQ}:
>
> muSuvqu' DoS vIpoQ. (??)
> I need a target that fights back. ST5 [problematic line]
Looks like a dropped {-bogh} on {muSuvqu'}. Then again, ST5 has
a LOT of problematic lines.
> qab legh 'e' poQ
> He/she demands to see a face. [challenge to a duel] KGT
Looks normal enough.
As a side note, it really helps to get page numbers so we can
check out the larger context of these references.
> _________________________________________________________________________
> Voragh "Grammatici certant et adhuc sub judice
> Ca'Non Master of the Klingons lis est." Horace (Ars Poetica)
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