tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Sat Mar 07 11:31:56 1998
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Re: [KLBC]: Family
You wrote:
>Hi David,
Hello Qov,
>At 14:40 98-03-05 -0800, beHwI"av wrote:
>}
>}
>}vavnI'wI' vIboghpa' Heghta'
>
>More bizarre word order and another prefix error.
In a previous mail you said that you had to mention
*charghwI'*'s different word order:
>You should say: {jIqabbe' yabwIj vIlo'mo'} or
>the other way around (which charghwI' rants about if I don't mention,
>because he believes it's the only correct way) {yabwIj vIlo'mo' jIqabbe'}.
What's the difference in relation to the word order?
>Ah, I see from your
>translation that {-pa' is on the wrong verb, too. When you use a Type-9
>suffix (other than {-wI'}) first write two complete sentences. Then put
>them side by side with the type 9 suffix on one. Don't interlace them.
>Also, you don't want to indicate that your grandfather died deliberately, do
>you? Use {-pu'}
Yes, he did!
>Heghpu' vavnI'wI' - my grandfather had died
>jIbogh - I was born (note NO object, you aren't born something, you're just
>born)
>Heghpu'pa' vavnI'wI' - before my grandfather had died
>
>
>Heghpu'pa' vavnI'wI' jIbogh
>}I was born before my Grandfather died.
>
>If you put the {-pa'} on {jIbogh} it means "before I was born."
So the translation was shaky, but the only real mistake was
the {vI-} instead of the {jI-}. Correct?
>Fix it to mean what you meant:
>}His targ eats, but it doesn't sleep.
Oops! If I write: {SoptaH targhDaj 'ach Qongbe'}, that should
fix it, correct? Word order problem?
>}saQtaH be'nI'wI', jIlaDtaHvIS
>
>"My sister was crying continuously while I read."
>}My Sister is crying, while I am reading. (Can I fit this into one
>}sentence?)
>
>Yes, and except for a missed shift on the {S} you've done it correctly. Now
>to get your prefixes straightened out. I await your ten sentences.
You should be reading them as we speak.
>Don't call it a gerund.
Ok, I won't.
>} And what would be the known goal of {jIlaDtaH}? Non that I can
>}see. So maybe {jIlaDlI'} would be better in the last sentence,
>
>You've got them backwards.
Oops, I read it to fast.
>}{jIlaDlI'vIS} is wrong, isn't it? (Does Okrand give a reason for this
>}rule?)
>
>He has been asked if {-lI'taH} is permissible and I think he said he'd have
>to ask Maltz. He definitely didn't give an answer.
In the book he said it's wrong, so I'll continue refraining
from using it until the jury is out...
blaze your trail!
--
David Dune
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