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Re: RE: List of Klingon fauna

:> Both definitions of <pa'> are nouns. <pa'> - "there, over there,
:> thereabouts (n)" (TKD).
:  
:> pagh
: 
: Ouch. My own word list agrees. I got the {adv} reference from 
: Holtej's pojwI'. Everyone else using pojwI' should take note of 
: this and edit your lexicon to correct it.

Also correct {naDev} and {Dat}.  I had them listed as "adv." too for some
reason - and I typed them into my own AKD myself without benefit of pojwI'.

: Of course, I still think it SHOULD be an adverbial...
: 
: But I accept it as a noun, even though it does imply an 
: locative concept which is basically adverbial in nature. It does 
: for locatives what {DaH} does for time stamps.
: 
: If it really were a noun, you could put {-Daq} on it, right? And 
: it really could be the direct object of a verb. It could be a 
: subject of a verb, too.

Even worse, {pa'} is specifically discussed by Okrand:

"It is worth noting at this point that the concepts expressed by the English
adverbs 'here', 'there', and 'everywhere' are expressed by NOUNS in Klingon:
{naDev} 'hereabouts', {pa'} 'thereabouts', {Dat} 'everywhere'. These words
may perhaps be translated more literally as 'area around here,' 'area over
there,' and 'all places,' respectively. UNLIKE OTHER NOUNS, these three
words are never followed by the locative suffix." (TKD p.27, emphasis added)

Those darn exceptions!  We sometimes forget that Okrand built in a few
curves, just to make it more "naturalistic".  A lesson for all of us:
*Always* check TKD before making an ex cathedra statement -- Klingon grammar
may not work the way you remember.

: charghwI'

Voragh

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