tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Sun Mar 02 18:12:48 1997
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Re: KLBC: New Words - magic, magician
As I began all this, I'll enter my cha DeQ:
My definition of magic is: "Control of unknown/unknowable forces by
ritual sayings, dances, or gestures." In and of itself 'magic" is
neutral, an elemental force. It's use then denotes it as either "black"
or "white", though to my way of thinking, evil rituals (human sacrifice,
etc.) can only do black magic.
I've argued in another space that I feel my word "cham" is a real word
for 'technology', if no one else likes my other creations, so be it.
I feel that the qa' SeHwI' ("Controller of Spirits") for witch (gender
neutral) and *qa' HoS* ("Spirit Power") for magic don't convey the
power of magic by my definition. I would put 'Shaman' for qa' SeHwI'.
Elren Schmelrin wrote:
>
> On Sat, 1 Mar 1997, Steven Boozer wrote:
>
> >. . depends on just what your tradition considers "magic" and what
> > it considers "religion" (for which we do have a word: lalDan).
>>One person's "spell" is another's "prayer" or "blessing." All of
>>which, of course, is irrelevant to what the Klingons may believe--if >>anything.
To my way of thinking, a warrior race MUST have a religion. One does
not/cannot prepare to die and speak of an afterlife (across the River of
Blood) without it!
>>Any Wiccans care
> > to add their cha' DeQ to this discussion?
> >
> > |SuSvaj
> >
> >
> > -- Voragh
> >
>
> I wouldn't know where to start Klingon wise, but as far as the
> English goes i could give you a brief insite into what occultist
> describe as 'magick'.
>
> Magick is usally refered to the as the unknown force in nature
> that one can gain control of, via the training of the mind. This
> is the tradional belief of such groups as Wiccans, Satanists and
> other 'left handed paths'.
>
Rather close to my own working definition, thank you, 'elren.
>
> On the subject of witches, the word wiccan comes from an old English
> word which means to bend, therefor a witch is a person who bends things,
> most commonly the wills of others to do the bidding of the witch.
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!!!Given this that a wiccan witch is a "bender", how about using
the verb SIH (bend) to create SIHwI' for magician, sorcerer,
warlock, etc. SIH is a 'known' word that is 'known' to be a verb and
therefore breaks no "rules" to be changed into a noun as "one who
bends."
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> If anyone wants a list of different magicks, i can prolly sort one
> out.
>
> 'elren
For my own part, I challenge all my doubters of cham to give me a
translation for Clark's Theorem:
Any technology,sufficiantly advanced, becomes indistinguishable from
magic!
tuq l'maSto'r Y'jImbotlh-wa'maH