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Re: KLBC: proper use of meQ - burn



[email protected] on behalf of HetaQ wrote:
> To say:  "The book burns."
> meQ paq
> 
> Or must it be something like:
> paq lumeQ

You've hit upon the problem of transitivity and vagueness in TKD's 
definitions.  These problems plague us.

The following is from TKW:

meQtaHbogh qachDaq Suv qoH neH.
Only a fool fights in a burning house.

>From this, we see that {meQ} has the subject being the thing which burns.  
Therefore, it's {meQ paq}, not {paq lumeQ}.

> Or are both correct?

Probably not.  "They burn the book" would be {paq lumeQmoH}.

> If [meQ paq] is correct for "The book burns." can [meQ] be used 
> adjectivally as in:
> [paq meQ] "the burning book" ? It sure does express a state.

You've also hit upon the only example I know of that uses a stative but not 
"qualitative" verb adjectivally.  The example is in CK:

Ha'DIbaHmey meQ Sop 'e' tIv tera'nganpu'
Terrans enjoy eating burnt animals.

{meQ} is clearly used here adjectivally.  This either means that any stative 
verb may be used adjectivally (something which I simply don't believe), or 
that {meQ} also happens to mean "be burned." (Or that {meQ} is simply an 
exception to the rule.)

(By the way, there's more wrong with this sentence which leads me to believe 
that it was sloppily constructed.  It should be {'e' lutIv tera'nganpu'}.  
Therefore, I'm hesitant to give too much importance to this sentence.)
   
> I'd like to say:
> paq meQ tIqaw
> for "Remember the burning books."

Given the example from CK, I'd say that {paq meQ} describes books with the 
quality of being burned.  Whereas, if you called it {meQtaHbogh paq}, it would 
describe books which are or were in the process of burning (much more vivid to 
my mind).

meQtaHbogh paq tIqaw
Remember the burning books.

> Well, you may see where this is going.  Our attorneys heard from Viacom. 
>  They have restated their demands for the destruction of remaining 
> inventory of "Secret Fighting Arts".

quvHa''eghmoHchu' taHqeqpu'!  Do'Ha' not paqvam vIlaDpu'.  qep'a' loSDIchDaq 
vIlegh, qar'a'?  vIje'laHbe' 'a vIlegh vIneH.

> We've tried doing business with them, tried ignoring them, and then begged 
> (I'm ashamed as a Klingon) for licensing.  Now it is simply time for WAR!

verengan Ha'DIbaHvam tIHoH!

> mupwI' qeylIS nuqaDvIpjaj jaghmaj jay'

"May our enemies be afraid to challenge us hammer's Kahless."  Huh?

-- 
SuStel
Beginners' Grammarian
Stardate 97491.2


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