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Re: vegh



On 24 Jul 97 at 8:35, William H. Martin wrote:

> According to Steven Boozer:
> > 
> > : In that case we could also use this verb to describe to someone
> > what : a person is doing during his nentay (if the row of Klingons
> > carrying : 'oy'naQmey as a single "entity" that is part of the
> > nentay has a : single word tlhIngan Hol name, and we would know
> > it) with a : very simple and compact "[the row of klingons] vegh",
> > am I right? : This row of klingons could be seen as a path with an
> > entrance, an : exit and a very definate boundary (the klingons
> > with the 'oy'naQmey). : : peSHIr
> 
> I suspect this is stretching the term,

Hence my question... ;-)

> since all the examples
> Okrand gave were three dimensional openings. Yours is bound
> only in two dimensions. You don't pass through two rows of
> warriors. You pass BETWEEN two rows of Klingons.

Like my question (hopefully) indicated, this might not be the case 
per se if the two rows of Klingons participating in the nentay can be 
indicated with a single term, one single word. Than that group of 
people can be seen as one single 3D "opening" (like a tunnel) that 
the person performing the nentay has to pass through (vegh).

If such a word (indeed such a symbolic notion) does not exist, and 
the two rows of Klingons are nothing more than two rows of Klingons 
(both in language, mind, culture, etc), then vegh surely could never 
be used for this "passing through" in the nentay sense, without any 
doubt whatsoever.

> While
> prepositional concepts do not pass consistently between
> languages, in this case, I doubt {vegh} handles this case.

In my opinion it would depend on whether the "two rows of nentay 
Klingons" is one single entity (and word) for a Klingon or not. But I 
agree it seems shaky at best..
 
> > One might (now) very well order the initiate to get moving by
> > saying, {tIvegh!}. 
> 
> That just sounds very strange to me. I'd expect the people
> yelling this to either form an arch, as two did at qep'a', or
> I'd expect the speakers to be giants with doorways in their
> bellies, taunting the listener to climb through these doors.

Again, this depends on... Oh well, I've uttered my opinion on this 
enought imes above for you to get the idea. I'm just curious what 
your reactions will be on this.

Jarno Peschier, computer science student, Utrecht University
   mailto:[email protected]    http://jarno.home.ml.org/
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