ja' Qov: >Hmm, so verb+-moH doesn't really mean "cause to verb" It means >"cause to be verbed, make verbed" When the verb is being used transitively, that's what it looks like. Intransitive verbs like "be big" or "be sour" already have the "be" idea included in them, so {wIbmoH} has *always* had the "cause to be sour" or "make sour" meaning. -- ghunchu'wI'