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Re: TLHINGAN-HOL digest 57
- From: Cormac van den Hoofdakker <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: TLHINGAN-HOL digest 57
- Date: Sat, 4 Jan 1997 10:19:06 +1300 (NZDT)
I want to get off!!!! No more
At 10:53 21/12/96 -0800, you wrote:
> TLHINGAN-HOL Digest 57
>
>Topics covered in this issue include:
>
> 1) Re: Carl SaganvaD gha'tlhIq
> by "eric d. zay" <[email protected]>
> 2) RE: Klingon CD-ROM,CK & PK- looking for input
> by TPO <[email protected]>
> 3) Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
> by James Johnson <[email protected]>
> 4) Re: Grammar violation (was RE: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!)
> by "d'Armond Speers" <[email protected]>
> 5) RE: KLBC: SuStel qaD
> by "David Trimboli" <[email protected]>
> 6) RE: "Excalibur" vImugh
> by "David Trimboli" <[email protected]>
> 7) RE: story, part 8
> by "David Trimboli" <[email protected]>
> 8) RE: KLBC: SuStel qaD
> by "David Trimboli" <[email protected]>
> 9) RE: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
> by "David Trimboli" <[email protected]>
> 10) Language Lab (Was RE: Klingon CD-ROM,CK & PK- looking for
> by Tremal-Naik <[email protected]>
> 11) Re: vIchup
> by Tremal-Naik <[email protected]>
> 12) RE: Carl SaganvaD gha'tlhIq
> by Terrence Donnelly <[email protected]>
> 13) RE: Carl SaganvaD gha'tlhIq
> by Terrence Donnelly <[email protected]>
> 14) Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
> by "Donald E. Vick" <[email protected]>
> 15) RE: KLBC
> by Amos Ezer hadani <[email protected]>
> 16) RE: "Excalibur" vImugh
> by Qov <[email protected]>
> 17) Re: jImej
> by Qorbeq <[email protected]>
> 18) Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
> by [email protected]
> 19) RE: Carl SaganvaD gha'tlhIq
> by "d'Armond Speers" <[email protected]>
> 20) RE: jImej
> by "d'Armond Speers" <[email protected]>
> 21) RE: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
> by "d'Armond Speers" <[email protected]>
> 22) RE: "Excalibur" vImugh
> by "d'Armond Speers" <[email protected]>
> 23) KLBC: story, part 9
> by "Deborah Kay" <[email protected]>
> 24) Annual End-of-Year Begging
> by "Dr. Lawrence M. Schoen" <[email protected]>
> 25) Re: klingonaase
> by "Dr. Lawrence M. Schoen" <[email protected]>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 00:13:52 -0500
>From: "eric d. zay" <[email protected]>
>To: <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: Carl SaganvaD gha'tlhIq
>Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>
>
>ghItlh Qov
>
>> chaq qechvamvaD ngeHbej qaq law' 'u' qaq puS. bIQoch'a'?
>
>
> chaq bIlugh. chaq *astronomy*vaD ngeHbejQeD qaq law' 'u'QeD qaq puS.
>'ach QeDmey law' yaj *Carl Sagan*. vaj, 'u'tej ghaHbej 'e' vIHar.
>
>SuSvaj
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 00:38:03 -0500
>From: TPO <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: RE: Klingon CD-ROM,CK & PK- looking for input
>Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>
>> Remember, the CD is not only the Language Lab,
>>but also a fun game, too.
>>
>
>its more than that; its also sort of an encyclopedia. during the game you
>can pause the game, click on an object (almost any object) and it will tell
>you about that object and its importance to Klingons and their way of life.
>everytime the scene changes try clicking on "everything". you may be
>surprised what seemingly unimportant things have information about them.
>
>net yIHaD 'ej tlhIngan DamojmeH DuQaH
>
>
>
>DloraH
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 00:41:31 -0500
>From: James Johnson <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
>Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>
>At 11:04 AM 12/20/96 -0800, you wrote:
>>}I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO UNSUBSCRIBE FOR THE LAST 2 WEEKS -
>>}I HAVE FOLLOWED ALL THE INSTRUCTIONS AND ADVICE I HAVE RECEIVED
>>}BUT NOTHING SEEMS TO WORK
>>
>>va. qatlh mejlaHbe'taHvIS nuQwI'pu' mej charghwI'? QapHa'law' pat.
>>po'wI'pu' wIpolnIStaH 'ej vIngwI'pu' maw wIqIlnIS. yItI', *Jay*.
>>
>>--Qov.
>>
>>Noticing a little grammar violation-suffix violation here. nuQwI'pu'
>po'wI'pu' and vIngwI'pu' violate that rule on suffixes. Just so you know.
>
>tu'wI'
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 01:24:16 -0500
>From: "d'Armond Speers" <[email protected]>
>To: "'[email protected]'" <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: Grammar violation (was RE: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!)
>Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>
>On Saturday, December 21, 1996 12:45 AM, James
>Johnson[SMTP:[email protected]] wrote:
>
>> >va. qatlh mejlaHbe'taHvIS nuQwI'pu' mej charghwI'? QapHa'law' pat.
>> >po'wI'pu' wIpolnIStaH 'ej vIngwI'pu' maw wIqIlnIS. yItI', *Jay*.
>> >
>> >--Qov.
>> >
>> >Noticing a little grammar violation-suffix violation here. nuQwI'pu'
>> po'wI'pu' and vIngwI'pu' violate that rule on suffixes. Just so you know.
>
>No, no violation here. These are all verb roots, plus the type 9 verb
>suffix /-wI'/ (which makes them into nouns), and the type 2 noun suffix
>/-pu'/, the plural marker for beings capable of language.
>
>Now, interesting to note that the beta of /pojwI' for Windows/ reports
>these as suffix violations. (It *is* beta, after all). If you're using
>this program, my recommendation is to take the translations with a grain of
>salt, not as gospel. Trust, but verify!
>
>> tu'wI'
>
>--Holtej
>Stardate 96972.67
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 21 Dec 96 06:28:36 UT
>From: "David Trimboli" <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: RE: KLBC: SuStel qaD
>Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>
>December 20, 1996 5:54 PM, jatlh Qov:
>
>> nuqaDta' SuStel. qaD vIlaj. mu'tlhegh nap vIlo'qang. DaH lut vIqon.
>
>> HIchDal
>
>[lut vIteqta']
>
>lutHomlIj vItIv, Qov.
>majQa'.
>Qagh vItu'be'.
>'ach vIlaDDI', jIDoy'.
>DaH jIDoy' je.
>chaq loQ bIQagh, 'ach vItu'be'.
>
>latlhpu'! SuH!
>Qov lutHom yIlaD.
>yIja'chuq.
>botIv'a'?
>bopar'a'?
>QIp'a'?
>'ong'a'?
>pejang!
>
>--
>SuStel
>Beginners' Grammarian
>Stardate 96972.7
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 21 Dec 96 06:14:36 UT
>From: "David Trimboli" <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: RE: "Excalibur" vImugh
>Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>
>December 20, 1996 4:13 PM, jatlh Qov:
>
>> SuStel said:
>> }[peHruS said:]
>> }> Any comments as to what a {chab} is besides dumpling, tart, pie?
>> }> Cake?
>> }
>> }I have a comment. It probably means "pie, tart, dumpling." That seems
>> }a pretty well-thought-out range. I don't see any reason to assume it
>> }means anything else.
>>
>> be' chabDu' jojDaq ngech tu'lu', SuStel. bIH vI'angnIS'a'?
>
>[SuStel shrugs] HIja'. yI'ang. {{:-)
>
>'ach bIlughbe'law'. HuDDu' jojDaq ngech tu'lu'.
>
>--
>SuStel
>Beginners' Grammarian
>Stardate 96972.6
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 21 Dec 96 07:08:52 UT
>From: "David Trimboli" <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: RE: story, part 8
>Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>
>December 20, 1996 10:12 PM, jatlh Deborah Kay:
>
>> HurghDaq bIjDaj loS velqa jachDI' gogh, "bIjmey."
>
>Hmmm . . . that's quite an interesting punishment, making her stand on a
>pickle . . .
>
>{Hurgh} is a verb for "be dark."
>
>HurghtaHvIS bIjDaj loS velqa . . .
>
>> QIt Qam velqa. pa' tlheDvIp, 'ach not luSov.
>> lojmIt poSmoH mangHom 'ej yej yotlhDaq thlej velqa.
>> Dat ghom bIj Hevbogh latlhpu''e'.
>
>Possibly a better-sounding phrase:
>
>Dat ghom latlh bIjlu'pu'.
>
>> "petor, nachDu'raj tIpepHa', DeSDu'raj tIpep."
>> lob Hoch. nachchaj DungDaq nuHmey 'uch mangHom puS.
>> bIjDaj wa'DIch 'oHmo', pagh 'uch velqa.
>> "pevIHQo' 'ej pejatlhQo'," lura'lu'.
>> ram naQ SIStaHqu'.
>> 'oy' velqa DeSDu' 'ach qevpobDaj qel 'ej jeghrupbe'.
>> rInpa' ram, Doy'qu velqa 'ach Somraw vIHbe'.
>
>{vIH} has been shown to be intransitive, but not transitive. To be safe,
>you'd better go for {Somraw vIHmoHbe'}.
>
>> chalDaq tosDI' juHHov, Hu' net chaw'.
>> Qatlh be'nI'pu' yInmey. malIq pIchlu'.
>> pa'Daj HIpmeyDaj je Say'taH cha'.
>
>Same problem, but a little more certain. {pa'Daj HIpmeyDaj je Say'moHtaH
>cha'.}
>
>> reH luchDaj luqeng. ghaHvaD SojDaj lujab.
>> chaw'chugh malIq, SoplaH chaH. rut ghungqu'.
>> QaghHommeyvaD chaH qIp malIq 'ej chaH pupmeH DaSpu'meyDaj lo'.
>
>I don't believe this is correct use of {-vaD}. {QaghHommey} is not the
>beneficiary of the action {qIp} "hit." You need {-mo'} here.
>{QaghHommeymo'}. (Sure you don't want {QaghHomHeymeymo'}? Hee hee!)
>
>> Hoch legh la''a'. tlheDmeH be'Hompu', bIjmey ral chaw'taH.
>> qaSpu'DI' Hoghmey law' mon la'a' 'e' mev.
>> chIch ratlh be'nI'pu'. valmo' 'ej mulmo' le' chavmeychaj.
>> 'ach be'Hompu' muS Hoch mangHompu'.
>> DoHa' poH tlhab ghajDI' mangHompu' 'ej jatlhlaH, velqavaD pe'loravaD je
>jatlh
>> pagh.
>
>"Having free time" certainly seems like an English idiom to me. Perhaps be
>more literal: {pagh ta'taHvIS mangHompu' . . .} Watch your spelling.
>
>> pawDI', chaHvaD DubDu'chaj tlhe' HochHom. mobqu' pe'lora velqa je.
>> tay'mo', ghu'vam SIQlaH.
>> be'Hompu' tungHa' betleH pIn'a' neH.
>> po'bej Hoch be'nI'.
>> qeqtaHvIS, chaH naD pIn'a' 'ej qaStaHvIS poHvetlh neH Quch be'nI'pu'.
>> qaStaHvIS ram reH ja'chuq.
>> qaSpu'DI' jav jar, Sot pe'lora. "jI'Itqu',velqa. vImuplu'taH vIneHbe'.
>vay'
>> vIbellaHbe'. DaH, vavwI' vIlegh vIneH."
>
>{bel} is "be pleased," a stative verb. {vay' vIbelmoHlaHbe'} or {pagh
>vIbelmoHlaH}.
>
>> "bIving 'e' yImev. naDev bIratlhchugh, vaj DaleghlaHbe'. yItlheD." jatlh
>> velqa, qeHtaHvIS. moghchu' ghaH.
>> "bInaS 'ej bImatlhHa' SoH," jang pe'lora, 'IqtaHvIS. "jItaHlaHbe'ba'."
>
>{'IQtaHvIS}.
>
>> "jIQoS, jIDoy' neH. maSuvchuq luneH. matay'DI' maHoS. bIratlh 'e' vIneH
>
>bIratlh vIneH
>
>> 'ach bItuHbe' bItlheDchugh. mamejmeH, che'wI'pu' wIH Da. jIratlhnIS.
>> maratlhmo', QeH la''a, 'ach jISaHbe'. qa'wIj lucharghbe' jay'." 'Iwqu'
>velqa.
>
>'Ipqu' velqa
>
>> pe'lora SeymoH velqa mu'mey.
>> "chaq may' vIlujbe'. not SoH qatlheD."'Iw pe'lora. "jIratlhrup je."
>
>{'Ip} "oath." {'Iw} "blood." Think of what one might say upon seeing blood:
>"Iw!"
>
>majQa'! lutvam vIlaDtaHvIS, jItlhuHbe'!
>
>--
>SuStel
>Beginners' Grammarian
>Stardate 96972.8
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 21 Dec 96 07:21:09 UT
>From: "David Trimboli" <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: RE: KLBC: SuStel qaD
>Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>
>December 20, 1996 9:00 PM, jatlh Qov:
>
>> Quch Hab
>> ------------
>
>[lutHom vIteqta']
>
>> qaStaHvIS rep Suvpu'.
>> DaH Doy'taHvIS bavchuq, 'ebmey loStaHvIS.
>
>Oh, that's a cool idea! Using {bavchuq} "orbit each other" for "they circle
>each other." I have written something with the "they circle each other"
>sentence, but the best I could come up with was {yIttaHvIS, gho rur Hechaj}.
>[SuStel bonks himself on the head.]
>
>> (3) Flames for my inability to spell batlh'etlh in English should be
>> sent by private e-mail only.
>
>Not a flame: "bat'telh" is Paramountese, not English. Don't worry about it.
>I usually spell it betleH.
>
>> po'wI'pu': yIchovqu'qa' Qov luDa Hoch chu'wI'pu' boneHbe'chugh!
>> Heh, I get to have my Klingon evaluated, while pretending I'm just
>> helping out the beginners. :-)
>
>toH! bIvalqu'! 'ach HollIj chovnISbe'lu'. pupba'.
>
>--
>SuStel
>Beginners' Grammarian
>Stardate 96972.8
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 21 Dec 96 07:36:41 UT
>From: "David Trimboli" <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: RE: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
>Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>
>December 21, 1996 12:45 AM, jatlh tu'wI':
>
>> >va. qatlh mejlaHbe'taHvIS nuQwI'pu' mej charghwI'? QapHa'law' pat.
>> >po'wI'pu' wIpolnIStaH 'ej vIngwI'pu' maw wIqIlnIS. yItI', *Jay*.
>> >
>> >--Qov.
>> >
>> >Noticing a little grammar violation-suffix violation here. nuQwI'pu'
>> po'wI'pu' and vIngwI'pu' violate that rule on suffixes. Just so you know.
>
>No, there is nothing wrong here. {nuQ}, {po'}, and {vIng} are verbs. They
>have the Type 9 verb suffix {-wI'} on them. This suffix makes the entire word
>into a noun. {po'} is "be skilled," and {po'wI'} is "one who is skilled."
>
>{-pu'} is a Type 2 noun suffix indicating plurals. For example, on skilled
>person is called {po'wI'}, but more than one skilled person is {po'wI'pu'}.
>
>I can see how this can be confusing, though. There is also a Type 4 noun
>suffix {-wI'} and a Type 7 verb suffix {-pu'}. They are all unrelated,
>though.
>
>--
>SuStel
>Beginners' Grammarian
>Stardate 96972.8
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 08:44:43 +0100
>From: Tremal-Naik <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Language Lab (Was RE: Klingon CD-ROM,CK & PK- looking for
>Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>
>11.11 20/12/96 -0800, David Trimboli ghItlh:
>
>>(b) decide you can't get enough of the language.
>>(I fall into both categories.) Remember, the CD is not only the Language
>Lab,
>>but also a fun game, too.
>
>jIHvaD *Language lab* DaDellaHlaw''a'? *Sound Card* vIje'mo', *Christmas*
>*CD*vam vIje' vIneH!
>
>
>See you later alligator!! (batlh Qapla' je)
>
>Tremal-Naik --- The Internet Hunter
>E-Mail: [email protected]
>In girum imus nocte et consumimur igni
>PGP KeyID 0x2ED51B15 on server
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 08:44:54 +0100
>From: Tremal-Naik <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: vIchup
>Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>
>19.21 19/12/96 -0800, eric d. zay ghItlh:
>
>>pagh
>>lumughlu'bogh paq 'oH'a'?
>
>ben law' *Edda* laDpu' SoSwI'... *Italian Edition* vIghaj. paqvam
>mughlu'law'pu'... {{:-)
>
>See you later alligator!! (batlh Qapla' je)
>
>Tremal-Naik --- The Internet Hunter
>E-Mail: [email protected]
>In girum imus nocte et consumimur igni
>PGP KeyID 0x2ED51B15 on server
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 01:45:27 -0600 (CST)
>From: Terrence Donnelly <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: RE: Carl SaganvaD gha'tlhIq
>Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>
>At 09:11 PM 12/20/96 -0800, you wrote:
>>On Friday, December 20, 1996 9:13 PM, eric d.
>>zay[SMTP:[email protected]] wrote:
>>
>>> tlhIngan Hol De' ghajbe' jabbI'IDvam ej 'e'vaD vIthlIj.
>>
>>There's been some discussion recently about the pronoun /'e'/ not taking
>>suffixes, such as the errant */'e'vaD/ up there. So the question comes up,
>>how might one express the idea of the sentenec above, otherwise? (tlheDmo'
>>charghwI', chaq pIj jIjatlh. jIqejbe', 'ej motlh jIHagh. {{;). I'd
>>suggest:
>>
>> tlhIngan Hol De' ghajbe'mo' jabbI'IDvam vItlhIj
>>
>
>Avoiding verb suffixes, how about
>
> tlhIngan Hol De' ghajbe' jabbI'IDvam vaj vItlhIj
>
>>> SuSvaj
>>
>>--Holtej
>>Stardate 96972.52
>>
>>
>>
>-- ter'eS
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 01:45:29 -0600 (CST)
>From: Terrence Donnelly <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: RE: Carl SaganvaD gha'tlhIq
>Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>
>At 09:11 PM 12/20/96 -0800, you wrote:
>>On Friday, December 20, 1996 9:13 PM, eric d.
>>zay[SMTP:[email protected]] wrote:
>>
>>> tlhIngan Hol De' ghajbe' jabbI'IDvam ej 'e'vaD vIthlIj.
>>
>>There's been some discussion recently about the pronoun /'e'/ not taking
>>suffixes, such as the errant */'e'vaD/ up there. So the question comes up,
>>how might one express the idea of the sentenec above, otherwise? (tlheDmo'
>>charghwI', chaq pIj jIjatlh. jIqejbe', 'ej motlh jIHagh. {{;). I'd
>>suggest:
>>
>> tlhIngan Hol De' ghajbe'mo' jabbI'IDvam vItlhIj
>>
>Or, avoiding verb suffixes, how about
>
> tlhIngan Hol De' ghajbe' jabbI'IDvam, vaj vItlhIj
>
>>> SuSvaj
>>
>>--Holtej
>>Stardate 96972.52
>>
>>
>>
>-- ter'eS
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Fri, 20 Dec 1996 23:46:09 -0800 (PST)
>From: "Donald E. Vick" <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
>Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>
>> At 11:04 AM 12/20/96 -0800, you wrote:
>> >}I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO UNSUBSCRIBE FOR THE LAST 2 WEEKS -
>> >}I HAVE FOLLOWED ALL THE INSTRUCTIONS AND ADVICE I HAVE RECEIVED
>> >}BUT NOTHING SEEMS TO WORK
>> >
>> >va. qatlh mejlaHbe'taHvIS nuQwI'pu' mej charghwI'? QapHa'law' pat.
>> >po'wI'pu' wIpolnIStaH 'ej vIngwI'pu' maw wIqIlnIS. yItI', *Jay*.
>> >
>> >--Qov.
>> >
>> >Noticing a little grammar violation-suffix violation here. nuQwI'pu'
>> po'wI'pu' and vIngwI'pu' violate that rule on suffixes. Just so you know.
> Which rule is that? They look fine to me. Or perhaps you had
>mistaken nuQ, po' and vIng for nouns. They're verbs.
>
>taDI'oS vIq, law'wI'pu'vaD Holtej jIH
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>| Thaddaeus Vick, Linguist to the Masses | [email protected] -or- |
>| | [email protected] |
>| gules on a saltire argent voided azure | |
>| thirteen mullets of the second. Yeeha. | http://www.crl.com/~dvick |
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 10:01:34 +0200
>From: Amos Ezer hadani <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: RE: KLBC
>Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>
>SuH SuStel,
>
>qep'a' loSDIch vI(jI?)jaH
>I'm going to the qep'a' loSDIch
>
>will you be there(How do I say that in Klingon?)?
>
> poH 'ar pa'?
> How much time is there?
>
> Da(cho?)QIj 'oH
> explain me about it!
>
>Qap'
> loDDoq
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 02:28:08 -0800
>From: Qov <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: RE: "Excalibur" vImugh
>Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>
>At 23:28 20/12/96 -0800, SuStel wrote:
>}December 20, 1996 4:13 PM, jatlh Qov:
>}> SuStel said:
>}> }[peHruS said:]
>}> }> Any comments as to what a {chab} is besides dumpling, tart, pie?
>}> }
>}> }I have a comment. It probably means "pie, tart, dumpling." That seems
>}> }a pretty well-thought-out range. I don't see any reason to assume it
>}> }means anything else.
>}>
>}> be' chabDu' jojDaq ngech tu'lu', SuStel. bIH vI'angnIS'a'?
>}
>}[SuStel shrugs] HIja'. yI'ang. {{:-)
>
>*tI*'ang. DaqlIj puj 'oHlaw' moHaqvam. qep'a' loSDIchDaq tlhIngan be'
>yoDSut vItuQ. vI'ang. :-)
>
>}'ach bIlughbe'law'. HuDDu' jojDaq ngech tu'lu'.
>
>1) *X*Du' jojDaq ngech tu'lu'chugh vaj X ngu'laHbej Hoch. :-)
>
>2) HIQaH, DaQtIq? Voragh? *canon* 'oHlaw' chabDu''e' 'ach Hal vISovbe'.
>---
>Qov [email protected] tlhIngan Hol ghojwI'
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 21 Dec 96 11:19:35 +0100 (BST)
>From: Qorbeq <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: jImej
>Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>
>
>Qov,
>
>
>qatlh cha' ghupu' DaSIQ charghwI'mo'? chomISmoH.
>qaStaHvIS poH nI'Ha' jISaH. lutvetlh vISovbe'.
>
>va! mu'meylIj vIlaDqa'.
>
>{charghwI'mo' cha' ghu'vam vISIQ} bIjatlhpu'.
>{charghwI'mo' cha' ghuvam vISIQ} vIlaDpu'.
>
>jIHaghqu'! {{:-D
>
>
>> qejlaHba' Seqram
>> qejlaH ghunchu'wI'
>> wej qejlaw' SuStel
>> Do'Ha' SaHbe' trI'Qal Qanqor je. qejlaHbej chaH.
>> qejlaH'a' Holtej? wanI' vIqawbe'.
>>
>> Hagh Qov. jISaghbe'bej. Qunchuy qechmo' jIreH neH. jIDogh 'e'
>> vItIv.
>
>
>jIHagh je. ghotpu'vam vIqIHbe'. pIj Daghomba'.
>charghwI' meq vIyajbe'. Doy''a'? {jInapnISchoH} vIyajbe'.
>
>'ej DaH mu' chu' qon 'Iv? Seqram? Lawrence? chaq charghwI'?
>
>
>
>
>nI'jaj yInlIj, 'ej batlh bIHeghjaj.
>
>
>Qorbeq
>
>--
>
>+------------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
>| http://www.parallel.demon.co.uk | reH jIghojtaH --- "Always learning" |
>|--- ---+--- ---|
>| Parallel Dimensions | pabwIj yIlughmoH jIjatlhHa'chugh |
>+------------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 08:10:05 -0500
>From: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
>Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>
>In a message dated 96-12-20 14:06:27 EST, you write:
>
>> }I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO UNSUBSCRIBE FOR THE LAST 2 WEEKS -
>> }I HAVE FOLLOWED ALL THE INSTRUCTIONS AND ADVICE I HAVE RECEIVED
>> }BUT NOTHING SEEMS TO WORK
>>
>> va. qatlh mejlaHbe'taHvIS nuQwI'pu' mej charghwI'? QapHa'law' pat.
>> po'wI'pu' wIpolnIStaH 'ej vIngwI'pu' maw wIqIlnIS. yItI', *Jay*.
>>
>What ever the hell you just said. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. The listserver doesn't
>unsubscribe anyone. trust me I have tried five time in the last week. I
>hope someone there speaks english or I will just have to start sending in
>twenty pieces of mail each day. It will contain nothing that has to do with
>this group and hopefully someone will get off their ass and remove the people
>who wish to unsubsribe from here. Spam me if you want I don't care.
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 09:58:17 -0500
>From: "d'Armond Speers" <[email protected]>
>To: "'[email protected]'" <[email protected]>
>Subject: RE: Carl SaganvaD gha'tlhIq
>Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>
>On Saturday, December 21, 1996 3:01 AM, Terrence
>Donnelly[SMTP:[email protected]] wrote:
>
>SuSvaj:
>> >> tlhIngan Hol De' ghajbe' jabbI'IDvam ej 'e'vaD vIthlIj.
>
>Holtej: (me)
>> > tlhIngan Hol De' ghajbe'mo' jabbI'IDvam vItlhIj
>
>ter'eS:
>> tlhIngan Hol De' ghajbe' jabbI'IDvam vaj vItlhIj
>
>I considered this. Why do you want to avoid suffixes? /-mo'/ gives
>precisely the intended meaning. Yours works too, of course, I'm just
>curious why you'd want to avoid using /-mo'/. We have such few tools
>available to us with Klingon, no sense in *not* using one when it's
>appropriate.
>
>> >> SuSvaj
>> >
>> >--Holtej
>> >
>> -- ter'eS
>
>--Holtej
>Stardate 96973.64
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 10:06:20 -0500
>From: "d'Armond Speers" <[email protected]>
>To: "'[email protected]'" <[email protected]>
>Subject: RE: jImej
>Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>
>On Saturday, December 21, 1996 6:38 AM,
Qorbeq[SMTP:[email protected]] wrote:
>
>> 'ej DaH mu' chu' qon 'Iv? Seqram? Lawrence? chaq charghwI'?
>
>mu' chu' qonbej charghwI' 'e' vIpIH. vItlhob.
>
>> Qorbeq
>
>--Holtej
>Stardate 96973.66
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 10:18:28 -0500
>From: "d'Armond Speers" <[email protected]>
>To: "'[email protected]'" <[email protected]>
>Subject: RE: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
>Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>
>On Saturday, December 21, 1996 8:12 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>
>> > va. qatlh mejlaHbe'taHvIS nuQwI'pu' mej charghwI'? QapHa'law' pat.
>> > po'wI'pu' wIpolnIStaH 'ej vIngwI'pu' maw wIqIlnIS. yItI', *Jay*.
>> >
>> What ever the hell you just said. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. The listserver
>doesn't
>> unsubscribe anyone. trust me I have tried five time in the last week. I
>> hope someone there speaks english or I will just have to start sending in
>> twenty pieces of mail each day. It will contain nothing that has to do
>with
>> this group and hopefully someone will get off their ass and remove the
>people
>> who wish to unsubsribe from here. Spam me if you want I don't care.
>
>The previous message was written in Klingon, because if it were written in
>English, it would not be appropriate to send it to this list. This is the
>Klingon list; either post *in* Klingon, or *about* Klingon.
>
>tlhIngan Hol jabbI'IDghom 'oHmo', jabbI'IDvetlh ghItlhmeH, tlhIngan Hol lo'
>ghItlhwI'. tlhIngan Hol lo'be'chugh, vaj jabbI'IDghom chut bIv, 'ej
>yIngeHQo'.
>
>The only one who can get you off this list, is you. Read the FAQ on
>unsubscribing, which explains what to do if you're having trouble. In
>particular, it explains why sending letters like this to the list will not
>get you off the list; it will simply result in your not being able to send
>letters to the list, but you'll still get mail *from* the list. Now,
>*that's* not what you want.
>
> http://www.thomtech.com/~dspeers/klingon/faq.htm#1.2.3
>
>DaH, tlhIngan vIqelbe'mo', vItlhIj. reH, jabbI'IDghomDaq ngeH mISwI',
>mISwI' neH vIjang. mISwI' law' tu'lu'law'. qatlh yajlaHchu'be'? valbe'
>neH, 'e' vIQub.
>
>--Holtej
>Stardate 96973.67
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 10:03:25 -0500
>From: "d'Armond Speers" <[email protected]>
>To: "'[email protected]'" <[email protected]>
>Subject: RE: "Excalibur" vImugh
>Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>
>On Saturday, December 21, 1996 5:34 AM, Qov[SMTP:[email protected]] wrote:
>
>> }> be' chabDu' jojDaq ngech tu'lu', SuStel. bIH vI'angnIS'a'?
>>
>> }'ach bIlughbe'law'. HuDDu' jojDaq ngech tu'lu'.
>>
>> 2) HIQaH, DaQtIq? Voragh? *canon* 'oHlaw' chabDu''e' 'ach Hal vISovbe'.
>
>*canon* 'oHbe' /chabDu'/. chemoH neH Qanqor, 'e' vIqawlaw'.
>
>> ---
>> Qov
>
>--Holtej
>Stardate 96973.65
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 21 Dec 96 17:25:08 UT
>From: "Deborah Kay" <[email protected]>
>To: "mailing list" <[email protected]>
>Subject: KLBC: story, part 9
>Message-ID: <[email protected]>
>
>Dubbe' ghu'. chaH chev la''a'.
>ja'chuq 'e' tuch la''a' qal.
>Qub la''a boQchuqlaHbe'. 'ach mujba'.
>rar yabchaj nIbmo' puqpu'. QummeH, jatlhnISbe'.
>ratlhtaH. Hoch nID la''a'.
>bIQtIq HoSghajDaq be'Hompu' Qup Dev la''a'. ra' la''a', "bIQ yI'el."
>woSDu'chaj SIchbogh bIQDaq Qam.
>nachDu'chaj DungDaq betleHmeychaj 'uch.
>buQ la''a', "qaStaHvIs ram, bIQtIqDaq SuratlhnIs pagh juHDaq SangeH.
>bejmeH, yavDaq Qam Qam malIq.
>wanI'vam qab law', Hoch qab puS. taDqu' 'ej Doy' DeSDu'chaj.
>Qub velqa, "juH jIghoSlaHmeH, qabwIj vIpe'be'lu'ba'pu'."
>Qub pe'lora, "bIQtIqDaq ratlhchugh velqa, vaj naDev jIratlh je."
>belHa' la''a' bIQDaq be'nI'pu' tu'taHDI'. Qapqa' chaH.
>QIt qaStaHbej DISvam.
>DIS cha'DIch mangHompu' mojpa', ta'nIS wa' tay.
>Sum qojmey. nIteb luchchaj naQ luqeng mangHompu' 'ej qojmey toS.
>DIS cha'DIch mangHom DevwI' moj QapwI' cheghbogh mangHom.
>luta'be'chugh, 'ampaSDaq lucheghlaHbe'.
>qaStaHvIs cha' jaj be'nI'pu' Qong 'e' chaw'Qo' mallIq.
>qaStaHvIS cha' jaj be'nI'pu' Sop 'e' chaw'Qo' malliq.
>tayvam rInchugh neH, bortaSDaj ghajlaH velqa.
>malIq HIvlaHbe' velqa. najtaHvIS, porghDajvo' nachDaj pe' velqa.
>Doy'qu' pe'lora 'ej HuD tIn SallaH neH 'e' vItul.
>nom HuD toS velqa 'ej QIt toS pe'lora.
>pay' bItchoH velqa 'ej leghmeH tlhe'DI' pum pe'lora.
>"HIQaH!" jach pe'lora.
>ghaH Qoy HochHom 'ach SaHbe'. qojmey toStaH mangHompu'.
>nom qojmey ghIr velqa jachtaHvIS, "pa' ghoS. HeH 'uch."
>pujbej ghungbogh pe'lora Doy'.
>pawpa', qoj HeHvo' pum pe'lora.
>lamDaq Qot pe'lora porgh 'e' legh velqa.
>SIbI' HuD ghIr velqa.
>pe'lora porghDaq pawDI', nIteb Heghtay lop velqa.
>porghDaj luchDaj je woH 'ej yej yotlhDaq qeng ghaH'e'.
>QaH latlhpu' luneH, 'ach chaw'be' velqa.
>porgh lumolmeH, lunge' velqa mochpu'.
>ngabtaHvIS pe'lora porgh, nIteb yej yotlhDaq Qam velqa 'ej bej.
>DaH pe'lora boQlaHbe' velqa. luchDaj woH.
>choS qojmeyDaq chegh velqa.
>QIt qojmey chIm Sal.
>qojmey ghIrpa', nachDaj pep velqa 'ej chalDaq jachqu'.
>ghaHvaD chegh ghoghHeyDaj neH.
>QoylaH'a' pe'lora 'e' SIv.
>tay rInmoH velqa. QavwI' ghaH.
>
>The situation did not improve. The commandant separated them. The corrupt
>commandant forbid them to speak to each other. He thought that they could not
>aid one another. But he was wrong. Because they were twins, their minds were
>connected. They did not need to speak in order to communicate. They
>continued to stay. The commandant tried everything. The commandant took the
>young girls to a powerful river. He ordered them, "Enter the water." They
>stood in water that reached their chins. They held their betleths above their
>heads. The commandant threatened them, "Stay in the water the whole night or
>I'm going to send you home." Malik stood on the dry ground to observe. This
>experience was the worst. They were very frozen and their arms were tired.
>Velqa thought, "I didn't get my face cut so I could go home." Pelora thought,
>"If Velka stays in the river then I'm going to stay too." The commandant was
>displeased when he found the sisters still in the river. They won again.
>
>The year dragged on. Before becoming second year cadets, one rite needed to
>be performed. There were cliffs nearby. The had to climb the cliffs by
>themselves carrying all of their gear. Whoever returned first would be the
>leader of the second year cadets. If they did not finished, they could not
>return to the academy.
>
>For two days Malik refused to let the sisters eat or sleep. Only if she
>completed the ceremony, could Velqa have her revenge. She couldn't attack
>him. In her dreams, she cut off his head. Pelora was exhausted and she
>merely hoped she could go up the mountain. Velka quickly climbed the
>mountain. Pelora climbed it slowly. Suddenly, Velka felt anxious and as she
>turned to see Pelora fell. "Help me!" cried Pelora. Most heard her, but they
>did not care. The cadets continued to climb the cliffs. Velka quickly
>climbed down the cliffs, while calling, "I'm coming. Hold the edge." Pelora
>who was tired and hungry was weak. Before Velka arrived, Pelora fell from the
>cliff's edge. Velka saw Pelora's body lying in the dirt. Immediately, Velka
>descended the mountain. When she reached Pelora's body, she performed the
>death ritual alone. She picked up her body and gear and she and only she
>carried it to the parade ground. Others wanted to help, but she wouldn't
>permit it. Velka's superiors took the body away to bury it. As the body
>disappeared, Velka stood alone on the parade ground and watched. Now Velka
>cannot help Pelora. She picked up her gear. At twilight Velka returned to
>the cliffs. She slowly ascended the deserted cliffs. Before she descends the
>cliffs, she raised her head and cried out to the sky. Only her echo returned
>to her. She wondered if Pelora could hear. She finished the rite. She was
>the last.
>
>rIn lut 'ay' HutDIch.
>
>Deborah
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 13:38:06 -0500
>From: "Dr. Lawrence M. Schoen" <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Annual End-of-Year Begging
>Message-ID: <v03007802aee1da8de1a0@[207.103.6.229]>
>
>Yes, it's that time of year. Time to mention that the KLI is a nonprofit
>organization and could certainly use your support. Personally, I'd like to
>see some obscenely rich individual become our official patron and throw
>tons of cash our way so we could open branch offices in shopping malls
>across the country. But, let's face it, that ain't gonna happen (but isn't
>it a frightening image?).
>
>Instead let me just remind you that contributions/donations to the KLI are
>considered tax deductible under the US tax law, just like giving to other
>charities. Sure, we're not the UNITED WAY or UNICEF, but we are a worthy
>cause in our own way.
>
>Annual members' dues help us maintain the KLI, but the vast majority of
>that money goes to cover the costs of printing and mailing HolQeD to the
>membership. Other services which the KLI provides, such as this mailing
>list, consume not only volunteer hours but our limited financial resources
>as well.
>
>Finally, while we will gratefully and gleefully welcome donations in any
>amount, as an added inducement for larger gifts we still have copies of the
>deluxed edition of our translation of Hamlet. Only twenty-six copies of
>this leather-bound version were made. Each is individualized "numbered"
>with one of the letters of the Klingon alphabet. These are NOT for sale,
>but our offerred as an appreciation to any individual donating $500 or more
>to the KLI. If that's more than your budget can afford, no problem, we'll
>also be giving out a complimentary KSRP t-shirt (you've seen them, the ones
>with the picture of the Klingon Shakespeare on the front) to anyone
>donating $100 or more to the KLI. And again, these donations are
>tax-deductible.
>
>So, before 1996 comes to a close, please consider making whatever gesture
>of monetary support for the KLI that your situation allows. Personally, I
>look forward to the stories you'll have to tell, explaining how your
>accountant's eyes rolled upward as you explain a charitable contribution to
>Klingons.
>
>taHjaj yejHaD,
>
>Lawrence
>
>
>
>::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>:: Dr Lawrence M Schoen, Director :: The KLI is a nonprofit ::
>:: The Klingon Language Institute :: tax exempt corporation ::
>:: POB 634, Flourtown, PA 19031 USA :: DaH HuchlIj'e' ghonob ::
>::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>:: [email protected] :: http://www.kli.org :: 215/836-4955 ::
>::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 13:48:07 -0500
>From: "Dr. Lawrence M. Schoen" <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: klingonaase
>Message-ID: <v03007803aee1e1126986@[207.103.6.229]>
>
>> Oliver Stoll ([email protected])
>> Fri, 20 Dec 1996 04:54:34 -0800
>>
>> As I have gathered over quite some time there are only very few
>> Fordians out there, who support Klingonaase, or even more the idea
>> of a khomerex klin. I have also gathered, the Khomerex and the idea
>> of tlhIngan wo' clash onto each other like Luke and Palpatine. To make
>> a long story short: I think the majority of people support the idea
>> of Klingons like they see them in the series as tlhIngan wo', and
>> they'll always consider themselves to be the 'true' klingons.
>
>And let's not forget the interview I did with John M. Ford a few years back
>in the pages of HolQeD!
>
>Lawrence
>
>::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>:: Dr Lawrence M Schoen, Director :: The KLI is a nonprofit ::
>:: The Klingon Language Institute :: tax exempt corporation ::
>:: POB 634, Flourtown, PA 19031 USA :: DaH HuchlIj'e' ghonob ::
>::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>:: [email protected] :: http://www.kli.org :: 215/836-4955 ::
>::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>
>
>
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>
>End of TLHINGAN-HOL Digest 57
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>
>