tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Thu Nov 14 15:01:23 1996

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Re: Using -Daq (was RE: KLBC: Translation)

At 09:40 PM 11/13/96 -0800, you wrote:
>>jatlh HurghwI':
>>>  Correct as usual . . . I realized this right after I sent the message, and
>>>  had already changed my sig. However, don't words for location like {pa'},
>>>  {naDev}, {vogh}, and {Daq} have an assumed {-Daq} suffix? If not, could I
>>>  say {DaqDaq}?
>>
>>Only the three words {pa'} (only in the sense of "thereabouts"), {naDev}, and 
>>{Dat} have the location built-in and therefore cannot use {-Daq}.  So, yes, 
>>{DaqDaq} is a legitimate word.
>>
>>SuStel
>
>"Cannot" is too strong. "Need not" would be more apt.

No, you really CANNOT. I'm sure it says so in TKD, in the nouns section
somewhere.

>In a bar, the visiting Terran hears a commotion and asks his Klingon escort: 
>	pa'Daq qaStaH nuq
>	What's happening over there?  (CK)
>And, in a related usage, you can use -vo' with naDev:
>	naDevvo' yIghoS
>	Go away!  (TKD)
>	naDevvo' jIleghlaHchu'be'
>	I can't see well from here.  (CK)
>	naDevvo' vaS'a'Daq majaHlaH'a'
>	Can we get to the Great Hall from here?  (PK)  
>If naDevvo' is permitted, then naDevDaq is, at least, a possibility
>(though it is surely redundant). The only examples of naDev used in an
>accusative sense I can find from Okrand are: 
>	naDev ghoS
>	Come here!  (PK)
>	naDev Dochvetlh qem
>	Bring that here!  (PK)
>	naDev Dochvetlh qemqu'
>	I really mean it this time: bring that here!  (PK)
>Note that these are all Clipped Klingon as they are pet commands. Also,
>naDev ghoS ("Come here") has been used in TNG "Redemption I" but, as we
>know all too well, Paramount's use of Hol proves nothing - even when they
>manage to get it right. 

I'm afraid I your point from all this.

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