tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Thu Nov 14 06:46:27 1996
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Re: Using -Daq (was RE: KLBC: Translation)
- From: "Mark E. Shoulson" <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: Using -Daq (was RE: KLBC: Translation)
- Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 09:46:25 -0500 (EST)
- In-reply-to: <[email protected]> (message fromSteven Boozer on Wed, 13 Nov 1996 21:42:23 -0800)
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>Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 21:42:23 -0800
>From: Steven Boozer <[email protected]>
>
>>jatlh HurghwI':
>>> Correct as usual . . . I realized this right after I sent the message, and
>>> had already changed my sig. However, don't words for location like {pa'},
>>> {naDev}, {vogh}, and {Daq} have an assumed {-Daq} suffix? If not, could I
>>> say {DaqDaq}?
>>
>>Only the three words {pa'} (only in the sense of "thereabouts"), {naDev}, and
>>{Dat} have the location built-in and therefore cannot use {-Daq}. So, yes,
>>{DaqDaq} is a legitimate word.
>>
>>SuStel
>
>"Cannot" is too strong. "Need not" would be more apt.
>
>In a bar, the visiting Terran hears a commotion and asks his Klingon escort:
> pa'Daq qaStaH nuq
> What's happening over there? (CK)
This, I believe, is your only example, and it's problematic because it
conflicts with a black-and-white statement from TKD (Section 3.3.5, p.27):
"Unlike other nouns, these three words [naDev, pa', and Dat] are
-=>*NEVER*<=- followed by the locative suffix [-Daq]. (Note that
pa' (thereabouts) and pa' (room) are identical in sound; pa'Daq,
however, can mean only "in/to the room.")"
(emphasis added)
Your other examples deal with -vo', which is a different suffix (not a
locative, since it indicates movement away. When I was studying Sanskrit,
we called that ablative, but I think that may not be quite the standard
meaning).
~mark
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