tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Mon Oct 17 13:44:30 1994
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Re: KLBC: Re: Hoch, et al.
>From: "...Paul" <[email protected]>
>Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 11:07:08 -0400
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>>From: "Mark E. Shoulson" <[email protected]>
>>Date: Mon, 17 Oct 1994 10:25:28 -0400
>>Subject: Re: KLBC: Re: Hoch, et al.
>>
>>Actually, I wouldn't. "yuQ" is, indeed, plural, since plurals don't need
>>to be marked in Klingon. What's more, "yuQ Hoch" does imply "all the
>>planets" with reeasonable unambiguity, since for "the whole planet" one
>>would use "yuQ naQ". Sure, yuQmey Hoch is okay, but hardly necessary.
>Wham! Wham! (sound of a dead horse being beaten)
>I would have to agree with charghwI', who said in this case you need the
>specific suffix, IF you want to make sure... But this DOES come down to
>context; because Hoch could mean "everybody" and not just "everything".
>If you wanted to say "everyone of the planet", you'd say yuQ Hoch. If
>you were talking about everyone on several planets, you could still say
>yuQ Hoch -- but the person speaking would need to make sure the listener
>is definitely clear that the topic of the conversation was several planets.
>If they were "switching gears", they'd need to pick it out specifically...
>ie. "yuQmey Hoch"...
I'd go the other way. "Hoch" can mean "everybody" but only when the
context restricts the universality to people. To say "All the people of
the planet", I'd say "yuQ ngan Hoch" or "yuQ ghot Hoch".
>In short, -mey CAN be necessary; but it depends on context. ~mark is right,
>-mey is optional, but ONLY when the plurality is obvious to the audience;
>otherwise it's imperative that you enforce the idea of plurality.
Or "Hoch" implies "all people" only when the context implies that it be
restricted to people (e.g. "Dogh 'e' Har Hoch": everyone believes he's dumb.
People are usually the only things likely to be believing stuff).
>...Paul
~mark