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'o'mu'tlheghvam maja'chuqtaH:

    DaH bItuQHa'moHegh Deanna 'ej bIQot...
    *Deanna, take off your clothes now, and lie down...

None of the proposed fixes of this one work, because -'egh is a 
Type 1 suffix and cannot follow the Type 4 suffix -moH.  We have a 
definite problem here.  Maybe we could use

    SoH yItuQHa'moH 

More generally on this, we've all been assuming that the meaning 
of the suffixes applies IN ORDER: that is, that the meaning of 
each suffix applies to the entire sequence of 
    (prefix) stem (suffix) (suffix) (...)
piled up before it, except where -qu' picks out one part for 
attention (p.49).  That means that a word like


which obeys the suffix ordering and has -moH "outside of" -'egh, 
can only be interpreted as something like

    'make yourself take off clothes'

Now, I think this "boxes within boxes" semantics is generally true 
in human languages, but the only ones I'm familiar with have much 
more freedom of affixation and compounding than Klingon does.  
Okrand is familiar with human languages (especially Amerindian) 
that have the strict affix ordering of Klingon.  Does anyone here 
know whether the semantics of affixes in such languages is also 
strictly ordered?  In other words, could



    'undress yourself'

with the -moH "inside of" the -'egh?

ALTERNATIVELY -- and much more simply -- maybe 

    tuQHa'moH       undress (v)

means that "tuQHa'moH" is translated by the English TRANSITIVE 
verb "undress [someone else]", as in (an invented example)

    puq tuQHa'moH QorghwI'
    the nurse (nanny, caretaker) undresses the child

This would make analytic sense:  tuQ is 'put on [clothes]',
tuQHa' is 'take off [clothes]', and tuQHa'moH is 'cause [someone]
to take off [clothes]', or loosely 'take [clothes] off [someone
else]', i.e., 'undress [someone]'.  In that case, "tuQHa'"
(without -moH) would be translated by the INTRANSITIVE "undress,
take off one's own clothes".  And in THAT case, we can get a
perfectly good Klingon translation of the sentence with

    DaH yItuQHa' Deanna 'ej yIQot...

- marqem

                         Mark A. Mandel 
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