tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Sat Jul 30 01:46:13 1994
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Re: Klinpack. *warning* big message
- From: HoD trI'Qal <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: Klinpack. *warning* big message
- Date: Sat, 30 Jul 1994 13:42:38 -0400 (EDT)
- In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> from "Heidi Wessman" at Jul 19, 94 06:22:34 pm
> For all you wonderful people who are interested in seeing my meager
> Klinpack, here it is. I've already mailed it to some of you, but others
> may be interested. I know there are mistakes in there, so please send me
> any pertinent corrections. As soon as I get this monster quick and fit,
> I'll create an answer sheet to go with it.
Don't send me another copy, then. I will just keep this one.
I was originally not going to comment on this, and I am certainly not
going to comment on *all* of it... just the forst lesson or two. I hope
that what I am going to point out will be enough to give chuQun some
ideas to look for in the rest of the Pack.
> ***********
> WORKSHEET 1
> vumnav wa'
<vumnav> is an invalid word. You cannot form a compound noun from a verb
and a noun, as you have done here. <vum> is a verb, and only a verb.
Try <Qu'> instead.
> b - same as English, only with a slight m sound to it, as in the
> word imbalance without the initial i sound.
Be careful; the 'm' sound to 'b' isn't *required*... it just *might* be
there.
> D - harsher, as in the insult Duh! Sometimes pronounced with a
> slight n sound, similar to the word sound.
Same warning here as for 'b'. And no, it isn't necessarily 'harsher'.
It is pronounced *differently*. Re-read the description on how to
pronounce this consonant, please! You put the tongue *straight* *up*.
It can be damned awkward to say right, and has a distinctly diferrent sound.
(Althought the "Duh!" approximation is close, I think)
> ew - similar to the word Hey-o!
I have *no* idea where you got this pronounciation from. This is
promounced nothing like "Hey-o!" It is, I think, like nothing in English
(at least, that I can think off right now) other than to say the name of
the letter 'o'... with a stuffed up nose.
> Iw - As in French bleu.
Or as in the English expression of disgust: "eeeew!"
{{:)
> m - like in English mud, but sometimes pronounced with
> a slight b sound.
Ah, here you got the 'sometimes' thing right...
maj!
> tlh as in the Aztec tetl, this sound is the first sound
> in the word Klingon. It is a bit softer than the Kl sound,
> being pronounced in the front of the mouth rather than the
> back.
This was a formatting error... It wasn't at the margin like the others.
> w - like the English worry, sometimes like the English what?
Um... I am not certain it is like "what?". Hw is very different from
wh. To em, at least.
> ' - [apostrophe] a glottal stop, found (but not written) in English
> words such as uh-uh, and upsy daisy. Practice it.
Upsy daisy? Really? Where?
> nuq (newk) what?
I don't see a 'w' in there. nook, please.
> ghorgh (whorgh) when?
Again, no 'w'. The gh is a gh... mebby 'hr' to help indicate
pronounciation? It sounds like a growl, after all...
> nuqDaq (newk dock) where?
Same commetn as for nuq. dock? No, dahk is closer. Different vowl sounds!
> chay (chee, chie) how?
chee? CHEE? ch-hi is actually closer! There is no "ee" sound in there
whatsoever!
> HISaH (hee shah) Yes
No, HISlaH. Son't forget the 'l'.
> HIja' (hee jaw') Yes
w? No w in there!
> jIyajbe' (jee yaj beh) I don't understand.
Your pronounciation implies that be' isn't cut off at the end, like it
should be. Please think this over.
> qab (cohb) bad
There you go, changing vowls again. the Klingon 'a' shounds *nothing*
like the terran 'o'!
> Dajang (Dah jahng) Repeat it.
> bojang (bow jahng) You all repeat it.
jang means to repeat? This is news to me... according to my KD, it means
"to reply"!
Okay, I think that is enough. I hope that the idea has been gotten
across... And no, I *didn't* look at any of the later worksheets. The
first one was error-ridden enough.
I don't want anyone to think that I do not believe that this is not a
worthwile project: It is worthwhile. But *please* take the time to do
it *right*. If you aren't sure about a pronounciation, ask. There are
people here whose speaking skills far surpass mine, and they could
certainly give you a better idea how certain words should sound.
Double-check the meaning of words you use, and the grammar, where
appropriate.
--tQ
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