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Bhagavad, Part 2
- From: [email protected] (Nick NICHOLAS)
- Subject: Bhagavad, Part 2
- Date: Fri, 1 Apr 94 16:49:20 EST
=24.
=jatlh *Sanjaya'*:
=*ba'rata'* puqloD, jatlhDI' QongnISbe'wI',
=cha' mangghom joj jaH lupwI''a' qaSmoH nochta'.
Said S: son of B, as soon as He who needn't sleep has spoken, the king of
sensors will make the great transportergo between the two armies.
Again, left out the "'e'".
=25.
=*bISma'* *Daro'na'* je ta''a'pu' Hoch je 'etDaq
=jatlh: "ghombogh *quru'*pu' Hoch yIlegh, *parta* puqloD!"
At the fore of all the great kings of B and D, he said: "Look at all the
gurus who have assembled, sons of P".
Should be tIlegh.
=26.
=cha' mangghom jojDaq Qambogh vavpu' vavnI'pu' je
=SovchoHmoHwI'pu' SoSloDnI'pu' loDnI'pu' puqloDpu' puqloD puqloDpu' juppu' je
=be'nalvavpu' QaQwI'pu' je tu' *parta* puqloD.
The sons of P discovered fathers, granddads, teachers, uncles, brothers,
sons, grandsons, friends, fathers in law and good people standing between
the two armies.
Conjunctions are a good thing.
=27.
=Qambogh qorDu'nuvpu' Hochvam leghDI',
=QommoH pung'a', vaj 'IQtaHvIS jatlh:
As soon as he saw all the relatives, pity made him shake, so he spoke sadly:
=28.
=*QISna'*, Suvqangbogh SaHtaHbogh qorDu'nuvpu' Hochvam vIleghDI'
=jotHa'qu' DeSDu'wIj 'uSDu'wIj je, 'ej QaDchoH nujwIj;
K, as soon as I saw all these relatives who are present, who are ready to
fight, my arms and legs were uneasy, and my mouth dried.
=29.
=jotHa' rowIj je, 'ej gheghchoH DIrwIj;
=*ghanDI'wa'* jIchaghtaH, 'ej tujqu' je DIr.
And my trunk was uneasy, and my skin rough. I am dropping G, and my skin
is also hot.
Should be vIchagh.
=30.
=DaH naDev jIQamlaHbe', 'ej jIlIj'egh.
=*qe'DI*HoHwI', Hoch vIleghHa'qu'bej.
I cannot stand here now, and I forget myself. Killer of K, I can't see them
straight.
Should be *qe'DI* HoHwI'.
=31.
=SuvtaHvIS qorDu'wIj nuvpu' jIHoHmo' QaQchoHlaH pagh 'e' vIHar.
=*QISna'*, jIQapmeH jIche'meH jIQuchmeH vIHoHnISchugh vaj Dochvammey vIneHbe'.
While those in my family fight, I believe that if I kill, noone can become good.
K, if I need to kill to be happy (and?) to rule (and?) to win, then I don't
want these things.
I'd say ghu'vammey for Dochmey (physical objects). I'm sure "'ej" between
-meH clauses should be allowed.
=32.
=QuchmoHwI', maHvaD lI''a' wo'? Dun'a' yIn?
=nuvpu'vam HochvaD neH yIn wo' QuchtaHghach je vIneH.
Happy-maker, is an empire useful to us? Is life great? I want for all these
mere people the happiness of the empire of life.
neH *follows* the word it modifies, which would be QuchtaHghach; in any
case, it doesn't mean "only" at all, but "merely". I'd have said:
yIn wo' lutIv nuvpu'vam Hoch, vIneH. pagh latlh vIneH.
=33.
=may'DaqDaq chaH QamtaH, 'ej HeghruptaH 'ej mIp lunobruptaH.
=*maDu*HoHwI', muHoHlaH SovchoHmoHwI'pu' vavpu' puqloDpu' vavnI'pu' je,
=34.
=SoSloDnI'pu' be'nalvavpu' puqloDpuqloDpu' puqloDloDnalpu' je qorDu'nuvpu' je,
='ach vIHoHQo'qu'.
In the place of battle stands them, and they are ready to die, and they are
ready to give wealth. [all these people] can kill me, killer of M, but I
refuse to kill.
QamtaH chaH.
=35.
=leHwI''a', wej 'u' *Dar'araS'a'* puqloDpu' yInmey vItamchugh
=vaj mayon'a'?
Great Maintainer, if I do not yet silence the lives of the universe's sons of
D, will be we satisfied?
(The universe's sons of D?)
=36.
=mayembej HIvwI'pu'vam wIHoHchugh.
=vaj *Dar'araS'a'* puqloDpu' juppu' je qorDu' je DIHoHnISbe'.
=Do'ghachloDnal, chay' DIHoHmo' maQuchchoH?
We certainly sin if we kill these attackers. So I will not kill D's sons and
friends and family. Husband of Fortune, how can we become happy just because
we killed them?
DIHoHchugh. Do'ghachloDnal looks iffy to me, but I won't insist on it.
=37.
=qurqu' chaH, vaj muj qorDu'chaj HoH
=jup yol je 'e' luQub.
They are greedy, so I think killing their family and conflict with their
friends is wrong.
=38.
=qorDu' Qaw'taHghach mujqu'.
=qatlh maHeS Dochvam wISovbogh?
The wrong destruction of the family. Why should we commit the crime, who know
this?
A headless relative clause; it'd be much more straightforward to say qatlh
maHeS, ghu'cam wISovtaHvIS? If you want to say "the destruction is wrong",
muj goes to the start of the sentence.
=39.
=qorDu' Qaw'lu'chugh vaj Sab lurDech nI'
='ej lalDan Qawlu' 'ej Harbe'choH qorDu'nuvpu'.
If the family is destroyed, then longtime traditions will decline, religion
will be desroyed, and relatives will become unbelievers.
=40.
=*QISna'*, Harbe'chugh qorDu'nuvpu' vaj Sab qorDu' be'pu'.
=*vraSnI'* puqloD, Dochvammo' boghtaH neHHa'bogh puqpu'.
K, if relatives become unbelievers, then the family's women will decline.
Son of V, because of this thing, unwilling children will be born.
Doch should be ghu'/ wanI'. neHHa' is obscure.
=41.
=qorDu' Qaw'wI' qorDu'nuvpu' yInmey SabchoHmoH puqvam.
=quvHa' no' 'ej chaHvaD Soj bIQ je nob net mev.
These children will start bringing the lives of the relatives of the family's
destroyer into decline. The ancestors will be dishonoured, and one will stop
giving them food and water.
=42.
=nugh nabmey qorDu' lurDech nI' je lonlu' 'e' qaSmoH
=Qaghmo' neHHa'bogh puq boghmoHbogh qorDu' Qaw'wI''e'.
He makes society's plans, and the family's long traditions be abandoned,
because the destroyer of the family who fathered ill-willed children made
a mistake.
=43.
=leHwI''a', ghe''orDaq reH yIn qorDu' lurDech Qaw'bogh
='e' ghojwI' lurDechvo' Qoypu'.
Great Maintainer, he has heard from the traditions of the learners that
the family's traditions he destroyed will always live in Hell.
I think you meant "qorDu' lerDech Qaw'bogh nuv'e'"
=44.
=ta'Hey wImoj 'ej maQuchqu' wIneHmeH qorDu'nuvpu'ma' DIHoHmo'
=mayemqu' 'e' mawuq 'e' taQqu' jay'.
We become an apparent king and we decide to sin because we kill our relatives
to want to be happy. It wierds that!
Confused grammar. Try:
ta'Hey DImoj, 'ej maQuchqu'meH qorDu'nuvpu'ma' DIHoHmo' mayem 'e' wIwuq.
taQqu' ghu'vam jay'.
=45.
=may'DaqDaq nuH jIghajbe'bogh jIHubbe'bogh muHoHlaH
=nuH ghajbogh *Dar'araS'a'* puqloDpu''e' 'e' vImaS.
I'd rather that D's sons who have weapons be able to kill me, who doesn't
defend, who doesn't have weapons, in the battle field.
Shaky: headless relative clauses, and prefix trouble. I'd say:
nuH vIghajbe'taHvIS, jIHub'eghbe'taHvIS, may'DaqDaq muHoH nuH ghajbogh
D puqloDpu' 'e' vImaS.
=46.
=jatlh *Sanjaya'*:
=may'DaqDaq jatlhDI', lupwI'Daq ba'qa'
='ej bachnuH nIch je roQ 'IQbogh.
S said: as soon as he spoke at the battlefield, he sat back down in his
transporter, and he put down his bow and arrows. Who was sad.
('IQtaHvIS)
= 1) I am only beginning to learn Klingon. My grammar I can't judge on
=my own, but I do feel my vocabulary to be quite limited. So, there are sure
=to be many words that would fit in the text much more neatly than those I
=supplied.
Most of them, I though, did the job fairly well. Your grammar gets confused
at places, but for the most part is quite good. I think you hesitate too
much in using "'ej".
= 4) It would be great to have some way of expressing lineage.
=I thought it would be as important in Klingon as in Indian culture. So, the
=words Kaunteya.h (Kuntii's son), Dhaartaraa.s.t.raa.h (Dh.rtaa.s.t.ra's sons)
=etc. should be translatable in a better way than *quntI* puqloD.
=Maybe *quntI*Hom? Similar to -son (son of) in germanic languages and
=-ov (genitive form) in slavic languages... The idea -Hom comes from (I hate
=to admit this) my own language, in which most last names, including mine,
=finish with -i'c (that is, -ic with a dash above "c"), which is also
=diminutive suffix. I am fully aware that this is quite idiomatic to Croatian
=(or at least it was - most of the speakers are quite unaware of the connection
=between the surname suffix and diminutives), but it is the only logical thing
=I could think of. Suggestions, anyone?
Diminutives are used in many Greek surnames as well, but I don't think it's
appropriate for Klingon. puqloDpu' should do, or perhaps just nuvpu', with
an explaining note.
= 5) Also, in the same line of thinking, a word for grandson would be
=useful, and could be something like puqloDnI' (analogy with vavnI'). Yes, I
=know we can't make up our own words until we get canon version. I stuck
=with puqloD puqloD. Qu'vatlh! {{:^(
puqloDnI', at least, has been published in HolQeD, so it has more sanction
than most.
=nochta' = h.r.siike'sa.h
Oh, so these are names! I'd still put them in asterisks; saves us puzzling
over what's going on.
--
Nick.