tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Sat Nov 01 16:06:08 2014
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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Juggling
Perhaps when combined with “in order that the right hand catch it” phrase, {jaD} would work, but then we have the problem of not having a great word for “catch”. {Hev} is, for me, the best answer so far, but it still feels like one of those near-miss words that doesn’t carry the full meaning of the simple word “catch”.
lojmIt tI’wI’ nuv ‘utlh
Door Repair Guy, Retired Honorably
> On Nov 1, 2014, at 6:19 PM, Felix Malmenbeck <[email protected]> wrote:
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> Some good thoughts. I agree that jaD feels like the wrong word here, but there is a description in KGT (where the word was first defined) which [vaguely] suggests this could perhaps also refer to targeted throwing:
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> == KGT, page 91 ====
> (Note that {Soj woD} ["He/she throws the food away"], which refers to a regrettable activity, is very different from {Soj jaD} ["He/she throws or hurls the food in the manner of a projectile"], which, under certain circumstances, is considered a reasonable pastime.)
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> To me, this sounds like it could either be somebody just throwing it all about and making a mess, but it could also perhaps involve throwing it at specific dinner guests.
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> If one were to use a weapon-related term, I think {baQ} may be the best alternative: "toss bat'leth from one hand to the other"
> Still, even if this could be applied to balls, it doesn't really give me the sense that they're doing anything particularly acrobatic with the balls; it kind of sounds like one is just passing the ball from one hand to another, as one often does only as an intermediate step between the more majestic, arced throws.
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> In paq'batlh, {vo'} ("propel") is used to describe Morath throwing his father's sword into a lake (Lake Lusor? Or was it the Kri'stak volcano?).
> I think this could potentially be useful, but one would still need some way to specify that one isn't just throwing the balls away.
> {vo' ghIq vo'Ha'}? {vo' ghIq Hev}? {vo' ghIq Suqqa'}? {vo' 'ej He le' ghoSchu'meH Dev}?
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> jISovbe'.
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>> 1 nov 2014 kl. 22:31 skrev lojmIt tI'wI' nuv 'utlh <[email protected]>:
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>> I wanted to write brief directions describing how to juggle when I realize, we don’t have a word for “catch”. We have {jon} for “capture”, but that’s not like catching a ball. We also have no word for “throw”, like tossing a ball at a target. We have (jaD}, but that definition goes out of its way to suggest there is no target. It’s like tossing around an enemy’s head after a battle.
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>> If you just wanted a to give a vague description, you could say that juggling balls is {moQmey jaD}, but that’s what it looks like to someone who never actually juggles.
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>> I could use {baH}, but that’s like using {Duj} for a canoe. We all know that {Duj} refers to a SPACE ship, and we stretch the word out of personal need to describe water ships and other vehicles.
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>> I could use {chuH}, but I’m not juggling spears, and I’m not throwing anything a great distance.
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>> I hold two balls in my right hand (ball one and ball three), and I hold ball two in my left hand. I toss ball one in order that my left hand catches it.
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>> I toss ball two in order that my right hand catches it, and in order to empty my left hand, ready to catch ball one. I catch ball one.
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>> I toss ball three in order that my left hand catches it, and in order to empty my right hand, ready to catch ball two. I catch ball two.
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>> I toss ball one in order that my right hand catches it, and in order to empty my left hand, ready to catch ball three. I catch ball three.
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>> The goal of each toss is to make the catch easy. Tossing well is important. {potlh tosschu’ghach}.
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>> Apparently, Klingons don’t juggle, or at least Maltz doesn’t.
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>> lojmIt tI’wI’ nuv ‘utlh
>> Door Repair Guy, Retired Honorably
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