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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Bottle Opening and Drinking, al-Amarjan Style

SuStel ([email protected])



On 8/20/2014 10:40 AM, Lieven wrote:
Am 20.08.2014 15:55, schrieb Steven Boozer:
From my notes...

MO to 'ISqu' (1/02/2012):  hole (like a hole in the ground) is
{QemjIq}. This can also be used for the hollow in a tree. {qung}, the
word for "hole in a musical instrument", can't be used for a hole in
the ground, but it could be used for a bullet hole or a hole in a
shirt (including buttonholes, moth holes, accidental rips, etc.) or a
hole in the roof. You can fill ({teb}) a {QemjIq}, but not a {qung}.

According to HQ 10.2:8, {qung} is to change the pitch in a wind
instrument, apparently not a soundhole for stringed instruments.

Based on this, I would say that the opening of a bottle (or jug) is
the general {QemjIq}.  {qung} seems to be restricted to the very
specialized holes in wind instruments.

Maybe you should adapt these notes. You cannot say "{qung} seems to be
restricted to the very specialized holes"

after reading Okrand's explanation:

"{qung} [...] could be used for a bullet hole or a hole in a shirt
(including buttonholes, moth holes, accidental rips, etc.) or a hole in
the roof."

The distinction seems to be that one side of a {QemjIq} does not have an outlet, while a {qung} is a penetration in a barrier between one side and another.

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SuStel
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