tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Mon Oct 08 07:41:59 2012
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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Polish-language presentation on tlhIngan Hol
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="4" color="#1f497d" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D">According to my {rasya’–DIvI’ Hol mu’ghom}:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="4" color="#1f497d" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D">добро n.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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</span></font></span></span></font><![endif]><font size="4" color="#1f497d" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D">good<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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</span></font></i><font size="4" color="#1f497d" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D">goods; property<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="4" color="#1f497d" face="Courier New"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#1F497D">Also note the adjective доброкачественный “of good quality”) which may hint at the underlying meaning – at least from
the seller’s point-of-view. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Robyn
Stewart [mailto:[email protected]] <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Sunday, October 07, 2012 10:41 AM<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Good! The two meanings seem to be unrelated in English, so I didn't expect them to rurchuq по-польски. Daj. <br>
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On 2012-10-07, at 2:03, Wiechu <<a href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">In answer to your question about goods, it is correct. Dobra = Goods. It's a direct translation. Stuff which you can buy or sell. It certainly does not mean "things which
are good". I believe Russian word for goods is "tovari".<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">It does seem to be quite the same in Polish as in English.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">good = dobro<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">goods = dobra<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">to be good = być dobrym<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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Wiechu</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">2012/10/7 Robyn Stewart <<a href="mailto:[email protected]"; target="_blank">[email protected]</a>><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Here's an introduction to tlhIngan Hol, presented in Polish at what seems to be the TrekSfera con. Cool. It's an hour, but you can page through
the slides faster, given that ghaytan Hol Dayajbe'chu'.<br>
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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIsiYjj9i7o&noredirect=1"; target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIsiYjj9i7o&noredirect=1</a>
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It's funny hearing a presentation in a foreign language I'm struggling to catch bits of and then have a phrase like <lam romuluSngan> leap out clearly.
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I don't understand Polish well enough to catch much more than you'll pick up just looking at the slides and knowing what one would say in each context. Has this been covered here? Is the author Pavel on this list?<br>
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I'm wondering about "transportowac dobra" as a translation of HIj, though. Does dobra mean "stuff that can be bought and sold" the way goods does, or is it a mistranslation, meaning "things that are good?" I'm going off a Russian cognate, which seems to have
the same meaning, given that QaQ is translated byc dobrym. I just didn't expect the same range of meanings in Polish and English.<br>
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- Qov<br>
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