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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Eurotalk - New Words - Countries

Adm qe'San ([email protected]) [KLI Member] 

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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Firstly I should add that the course was based on a template so that any language translated into it will be available in any of the other languages already translated. &nbsp;&nbsp;So no, there is no translation for Scotland, Wales or Ireland but then there&#8217;s also no England and if we go further back in history Wessex or any of the other kingdoms that became England and then through various other combinations to today&#8217;s United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.&nbsp; &nbsp;You&#8217;ve also got to remember that people in the UK rarely referred to themselves as from the UK (at least not in my experience). Even though GB officially only refers to the mainland we tended to call ourselves British or by the country part we were from. But UK was what was on the template. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>So anyway the choice of countries and was not down to Marc or myself. For reference when I first considered the countries I was directed to the list Qov had created for her own use and thought that was the way to go rather than just end up with a transliterated list of the English.&nbsp; Marc also agreed.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We also had UK already in canon &nbsp;&nbsp;wo&#8217; tay&#8217; which was on my original list.&nbsp; When I queried the new translation this is Marc&#8217;s reply:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>--quote from Marc (included with permission)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>Finally, for UK -- You're right. &nbsp;I had forgotten about <b>wo' tay'</b>. &nbsp;I think, though, for the CD, we should stick with <b>tuqjIjQa'</b>. &nbsp;If someone should ask why there are two names for the same country, I'd say that (1) it's not impossible for one country to be referred to (especially in a language/culture not of that country)&nbsp;by more than one name (Holland/Netherlands, for example), and (2) <b>wo' tay'</b> is an older name -- perhaps the Klingons who gave it that name were thinking of the British Empire.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Personally I love the new translation, </span><b>tuqjIjQa&#8217;, </b><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>as it I feel it expresses more accurately the origins.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>qe&#8217;San<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Josh Badgley [mailto:[email protected]] <br><b>Sent:</b> 29 October 2011 18:07<br><b>To:</b> [email protected]; KLI<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Eurotalk - New Words - Countries<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>It's a weird situation, because basically nobody speaks the old languages in Ireland or Scotland anymore, and yet they're important parts of the culture.&nbsp; Assuming a &quot;real&quot; Klingon went to Scotland, they aren't likely to stumble across a Gaelic speaker, and if they wanted to know the name of the country, they'd probably be told &quot;Scotland&quot; with a thick burr.&nbsp; So &quot;Suqo'lan&quot; maybe? </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br>The New Zealand thing throws me not because they didn't use the Maori name, but because &quot;New&quot; does not translate to &quot;nu&quot;...I get the &quot;SIylan&quot; part though..<br><br id=FontBreak></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><br><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><br>-- jhb<br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><br>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 12:57:40 -0400<br>From: [email protected]<br>To: [email protected]<br>Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Eurotalk - New Words - Countries<br><br>Yes, New Zealand does stick out.<br>The Maori name is Aotearoa.<br>I wonder what the reasoning was.<br><br><br>Yes, it might help if I post the native names for Ireland and Scotland.<br><br>Ireland: Éire (if the special character gets scrambled, that's: Eire)<br>Scotland: Alba<br><br>~naHQun<br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"'><br><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#999999'>~Michael Roney, Jr.<br>Professional Klingon translator<br>webOS developer<br><br>-- Sent from my HP Pre³<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:navy'><hr size=2 width="75%" align=left></span></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:navy'><br><br></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><br>_______________________________________________ Tlhingan-hol mailing list [email protected] http://stodi.digitalkingdom.org/mailman/listinfo/tlhingan-hol<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>
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