tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Fri Jan 07 07:35:14 2011
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RE: mu'tlheghvam yIlughmoH
Much of what you say is very true, lojmIt tI'wI' nuv, although I might actually recommend the opposite of what you suggest in this particular case: Skip the vISovbe' or wej vISov and just ask what it is.
nuq 'oH bomvam 'o'meH'e'. wej vISov.
[wej vISov seems redundant. Why would you ask if you don't know? ghIlab ghewmey tIbuSQo'!]
bomvam 'o'meH vISovbe'.
["Well, sucks to be you, then. What do you want from me? You want me to tell you how the song ends? Then ASK me and be done with it! bIQongtaHvIS nItlhejchugh targhmey bIvemDI' nItlhej ghIlab ghewmey!"]
nuq 'oH bomvam 'o'meH'e'.
[Gets straight to the point and gets the job done.]
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From: [email protected] [[email protected]] on behalf of lojmIt tI'wI' nuv [[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 15:17
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Subject: Re: mu'tlheghvam yIlughmoH
A more direct way to say this would perhaps be {bomvam 'o'meH vISovbe'.} You seem to go way out of your way to force {'e'} into sentences that don't need it. You also really like pronouns.
One of Okrand's goals in designing Klingon was to get rid of the verb "to be", and then working with real scripts, he conceded, "Okay, you can use pronouns for 'to be'." There are not a lot of examples of him using it, and when he does, it tends to be very straightforward, like {tlhIngan maH}. English speakers LOVE the various forms of the word "to be" and "to go" and "to do" and we pad most of our sentence with them.
Klingon is not encoded English. It is an alien language. Your mind is supposed to work differently when you are speaking Klingon than it does when you are speaking English. That's the fun part of using it for me. I like having to think differently.
Step one is to simplify. Boil the meaning down to its essence, then build a Klingon sentence with that essence, dumping "to be" whenever you can. There are times when it is just the right thing, like {tlhIngan maH}. But much of the time, you don't need "to be". You also usually don't need sentences tied to other sentences. You can simplify things down to nuggets. It's an attitude as much as it is a process.
In my opinion.
pItlh.
lojmIt tI'wI' nuv
On Jan 7, 2011, at 8:22 AM, Felix Malmenbeck wrote:
>> {nuq 'oH bomvam 'o'megh 'e' wej vISov}
> {nuq 'oH bomvam 'o'megh'e'. wej vISov.} DaghItlh 'e' DaHechpu''a'.
>
> {How does this song end? I don't know yet.}
> bIlugh.
>
> jISIv, lughlaH'a' mu'tlheghmey. jISovchu'be'. lughlaH nuvpu'. 'e' vISov *canon*mo'. ...'ej lughlaHlaw' Sormey.
> mu'tlheghmey nuvpu' je vIDelmeH wa' mu' DIvI' Hol vIjatlhtaHvIS. 'a SoSwI' Hol vIjatlhtaHvIS pIm ghu'.
> Sov'a' vay'.
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> From: [email protected] [[email protected]] on behalf of Ruben Molina [[email protected]]
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 04:37
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: mu'tlheghvam yIlughmoH
>
> juppu' Savan,
>
> {nuq 'oH bomvam 'o'megh 'e' wej vISov} qar'a'
> yIlughmoH qarbe'chugh mu'tlheghvam.
>
> ruben
>
>