tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed Jul 29 20:41:54 1998
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Re: qep'a' QonoSHom
mugh tuv'el:
>> [I invite eager students to post translations of this message.]
>> Hoch vIlIjpa' 'op wanI' vIDel vIneH.
>
>I have forgotten all (? Hoch vIlIjpu') I want to describe an unknown
>event.
The suffix I wrote was {-pa'}, not {-pu'}. "Before I forget everything..."
{'op} means an unspecified *number*, an unknown *amount* of something.
{'op wanI'} "some events".
>> mabomchu'ta'! SeymoH <taHjaj wo'>. Qanqor bom chu' vItIv je --
>> bavchuqlaw' QoQ tlheghmey. 'ej not <DaHjaj po> lIjlu' 'e' vItul.
>
>We have sung perfectly! <May the empire continue> excites. I enjoyed
>Krankor's new song also --The lines of the music seem to orbit one
>another. And I hope <today's morning> will never be forgotten.
Fine, though you might want to consider the "completely" meaning of the
verb suffix {-chu'} on occasion.
>> loQ qetlh 'uQ wa'DIch Soj, 'ach Dajbej juppu'. mutlhej be'nalwI',
>> puqloDwI', puqloDwI' jup je. maSoptaHvIS, muyu' puq: "How do you say
>> 'Good eating tonight' in Klingon?" vIjangmeH burghwIjvo' SIp chuS
>> vItlhuD. Haghchu' chaH. DaH qIDwIj vIpay -- reH *burp* chaH jay'.
>
>The first dinner's food was slightly unintersting, but the friends were
>certainly interesting. My wife, my son,and my friend's son accompanied
>me. While we were eating, they asked me: "How do you say
>'Good eating tonight' in Klingon?" I emitted noisy gas from my stomach as
>a reply.
>They laughed perfectly . I regret my joke now -- They always friggin'
>*burp* .
Again, okay, but "laughed perfectly" doesn't really capture the idea of
a hysterical laughing fit that {Haghchu'} implies to me.
>> Dunqa' <pegh mu'>. Qujvetlh vIbej 'e' vItIv. rut tlhaQbej mu'mey.
>> <nIbpoH> 'oH wa' mu''e'. DelmeH, jatlhlu' <qaSqa'law'>. yajbe' qoch.
>> SIbI' jatlh ghol <qaSqa'law'>. tlhoS ravDaq vIpum jIHaghqu'mo'.
>
>The <secret word> was great again.
{pegh mu'} is the name of the game. If you're going to add the word "the",
you should probably put it in quotes as well.
>I enjoyed watching that game. The
>words were undoubtedly funny sometimes.One word was <deja vu>. One says
><it can happen again> to describe it.
You were going along fine translating into past tense -- why the sudden
shift to present? My words didn't imply it, and I sure didn't mean it.
"{qaSqa'law'} was said in order to describe it." Oh, you don't know the
game? It's like the old "password", where a secret word is given to one
player and he has to give a single-word clue to his partner. Two teams
alternate giving clues until one player correctly identifies the secret
word his partner is describing, or until too many guesses have been made.
I wrote {qaSqa'law'} "it seems to recur", not {qaSqa'laH} "it can recur".
>[My] partner didn't understand.
Not *my* partner, just the partner playing the game.
>The opponent immediately said <it can happen again.>
Same confusion between {law'} and {laH}.
>I nearly fell to the
>floor because I laughed so hard.
maj.
>> SIbDoH wov wIbej 'e' wInID. nIS 'engmey. wInIDqa'DI' maQap 'ej
>> quvwIj vItoDlaw'.
>
>We tried to watch a bright satellite. Clouds interfered. When we tried
>again we succeeded andI apparently saved my honor.
pup.
>> DISvam maH puS HoS wa'ben maH puS puj. chaq mapuS, 'ach mapo'bej!
>> jIyay'. motlh mayajchuqlaHmeH ngeD. pIj maba' 'ej majaw neH.
>> wanI'vammo' jIQuchqu'. roD jIja'nISchugh tlhIngan Hol vIlo'.
>> chongbej Holmaj!
>
>We were a fewer this year than last year. Perhaps we were few, but we
>were certainly skilled!I was shocked. It was usually easy to understand
>each other. We often sat and just chatted.
>I am very happy because of this event.
majQa'.
>I use Klingon if I need to report regularly.
I guess it can be read that way, but again it's an awkward sudden shift out
of past tense. What I intended was more along the lines of "Usually, if I
had to say something, I used Klingon."
>Our language is clearly vertical (excellent)!
>
>> Qov jech pov Daleghta'be' bIDo'Ha'. tlhIngan SuvwI' qu' ghaHbej, 'ej
>> Sut chenmoHwI' po' ghaHlaw' je.
>
>You are unlucky [if] you've never seen Qov's excellent disguise. (? Qov
>jech pov Daleghta'be'chugh bIDo'Ha'.)
HIvqa' veqlargh. I omitted a {-chugh} exactly where you expected one.
I don't think the {-ta'be'} combination implies "never"; if that's what
I had meant, I'd have used {not}. What I had in mind was "If you didn't
manage to see..." And I think "unfortunate" is a better translation than
"unlucky" here.
>She is certainly a fierce Klingon
>warrior, and she also seems to be an expert clothing maker.
maj.
>> <wa'nem Qo'noSDaq! wa'nem juHqo'Daq!> mu'meyvam vIjatlhtaHvIS jIpaS.
>> rInchoHtaHvIS qep'a' vIjatlhnISpu'. 'ach mu' paS QaQ law' pagh mu'
>> QaQ puS, qar'a'?
>
><Next year to Kronos! Next year to the home world!>
Obviously you don't recognize the reference I am making, but the translation
is fine.
>I was late while speaking these words.
I *am* late; I'm speaking them now. I wrote them at the same time I wrote
the sentence that refers to them.
>While conference was finishing up, I needed to speak.
{...vIjatlhnISpu'} "I had needed to speak *them*." The {vI-} is significant.
>But a late word is better than no word at all, right?
This is fine, though "no word at all" is a bit of an embellishment.
>> -- ghunchu'wI'
>
> -- The perfect programmer
No, it's just my name. I don't think of it as a word with a real meaning
any more than I think of a vertical rockface when I hear the name "Cliff"
or a metalworker when I hear the name "Smith". Or, more to the point, I
don't often think of "be loyal" when I hear a reference to our favorite
Klingon-in-the-basement, {matlh}.
-- ghunchu'wI'