tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Sat Jan 31 17:37:00 1998
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Re: KLBC Nature Phenomenon (rain)
- From: Qov <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: KLBC Nature Phenomenon (rain)
- Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:35:59 -0800
At 14:13 98-01-29 -0800, qe'San wrote:
}I'm sorry but
Don't be sorry. :)
}I don't profess to understand all about object/subject
}talk but I am trying. To be honest I'd never heard of object/subject
}of anything in a language before I started on tlhIngan Hol.
Isn't it great? You are forced to learn more about language in general in
order to figure out what Klingon is doing. Often people seem to be arguing
about something that seems completely obvious, but they are actually
discussing some point that the trivial difference makes a larger difference
in. Or they just like the look of their own posts.
}I am trying to get to grips with the theory at the same time as learning
}the language.
}
}However, thanks to everyone who has replied to my message and others
}resulting from it. I've learnt a lot.
[...]
}To test myself in this respect I'm going to waffle on a bit more.
}
}A direct object of rain (v) could possibly be 'water' as in
}
}< QaSwI'Daq bIQ SIStaH muD Dotlh <> the weather rained water on my
}troops >
Yes.
}although what else it would rain I don't know (that's not a request
}for an answer, before someone starts talking about frogs or whatever).
}
}Following on from that I was thinking doesn't that make the
}sky/atmosphere an indirect subject as in where the water is coming
}from and not what is actually raining. ???
English uses "rain" in a lot of ways. My original statement was with
reference to
"It is raining." I don't think of any subject doing the raining when I say
this, I just think of water coming down. We also can say:
The clouds started to rain.
The heavens rained on us.
Bits of plaster rained down from the ceiling.
I don't say "the weather rains" or "the atmosphere rains" but some people on
this list evidently do.
}SISlaH muD Dotlh 'ach SISlaHbe' chal
}The weather can rain but the sky can't.
maj. A valid Klingon statement. Don't know if it's TRUE, but it's
correctly formed.
}Can you say <n-5 n-5 O v S >:
Yes.
}chalvo' QaSwI'Daq bIQ SIStaH muD Dotlh
}>From the sky the weather rained on my troops
}
}In saying that I've just considered that I might have it round the
}wrong way as in weather & sky. With this thought assuming you can say
}<n-5 n-5 O v S> I got:
}
}Dotlhmo' QaSwI'Daq bIQ SIStaH muD Dotlh
}Due to the weather the sky rained on my troops.
I think you meant: muD Dotlhmo' QaSwI'Daq bIQ SIStaH chal
And yes, that's very nice, assuming that the sky does indeed rain in Klingon.
Note for the benefit of those who might complain: there is nothing wrong
with translating {SIStaH} as "rained." When we see the Klingon we know that
the raining was ongoing. The English context would tell us that.
Qov [email protected]
Beginners' Grammarian