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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] do {vIttlhegh} become {ngo'} or {qan}?

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<div dir="ltr">On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 9:03 AM, David Trimboli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:david@trimboli.name"; target="_blank">david@trimboli.name</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">


<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On 9/11/2013 7:42 AM, De&#39;vID wrote:<br>
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&quot;The word {ngo&#39;} in the phrase above means old as opposed to new.<br>
Thus, it would be applied to objects or ideas, but not to animals or<br>
people.&quot;<br>
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It certainly rules out something like {nuv ngo&#39;} or {tlhIngan ngo&#39;}.<br>
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I see no &quot;certainly&quot; about it. Okrand wasn&#39;t ruling out all possibility of using {ngo&#39;} with people; he is just explaining that when one it talking about an elderly person, the correct verb is {qan}, not {ngo&#39;}. You&#39;re being too absolute with his text.<br>


</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Even reading it literally, since KGT says {ngo&#39;} can apply to ideas, this might include roles or offices.</div><div><br></div><div>As for animals, how would one say &quot;my new horse is older than my old horse&quot;? {?chu&#39;bogh SarghwIj qan law&#39;, ngo&#39;bogh SarghwIj qan puS} Of course what&#39;s new or old isn&#39;t the sark, but its ownership, which might require totally different phrasing.</div>


<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>

The problem with {Qang ngo&#39;} is that I&#39;m not sure if it means<br>
&quot;(current) chancellor who has been serving for a long time&quot; or &quot;former<br>
chancellor (who is no longer serving in that position)&quot;. Klingon makes<br>
a finer distinction than English for &quot;old (not young)&quot; and &quot;old (not<br>
new)&quot;; but it doesn&#39;t make the distinction between &quot;old (not recent)&quot;<br>
and &quot;old (not current)&quot;.<br>
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Context will give you this information, as it does in English.</blockquote><div> </div><div>On the other hand, is it safe to assume a Klingon would refer to a chancellor as {?Qang ngo&#39;} in either case? Speaking of someone no longer in office we can say &quot;former,&quot; and our usage of &quot;old&quot; is convenient but not inevitable. {?Qang ngo&#39;} isn&#39;t inevitable in Klingon, either. One way to refer to a former {Qang} would be {Qang nubwI&#39;}, or &quot;predecessor of the chancellor.&quot;</div>

<div><br></div><div>As for a long-serving {Qang}, can {nI&#39;} be used in a phrase like {?Qang nI&#39;}, or only to modify a time period, like {poH nI&#39;}?</div></div><br clear="all"><div>~&#39;eD</div>-- <br>My modeling blog:          <a href="http://bellerophon-modeler.blogspot.com/"; target="_blank">http://bellerophon-modeler.blogspot.com/</a><br>


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