tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed Sep 11 11:55:34 2013
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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] do {vIttlhegh} become {ngo'} or {qan}?
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- Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] do {vIttlhegh} become {ngo'} or {qan}?
- Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 14:55:15 -0400
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<div dir="ltr">On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 9:03 AM, David Trimboli <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:[email protected]" target="_blank">[email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On 9/11/2013 7:42 AM, De'vID wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
"The word {ngo'} in the phrase above means old as opposed to new.<br>
Thus, it would be applied to objects or ideas, but not to animals or<br>
people."<br>
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It certainly rules out something like {nuv ngo'} or {tlhIngan ngo'}.<br>
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I see no "certainly" about it. Okrand wasn't ruling out all possibility of using {ngo'} with people; he is just explaining that when one it talking about an elderly person, the correct verb is {qan}, not {ngo'}. You're being too absolute with his text.<br>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Even reading it literally, since KGT says {ngo'} can apply to ideas, this might include roles or offices.</div><div><br></div><div>As for animals, how would one say "my new horse is older than my old horse"? {?chu'bogh SarghwIj qan law', ngo'bogh SarghwIj qan puS} Of course what's new or old isn't the sark, but its ownership, which might require totally different phrasing.</div>
<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
The problem with {Qang ngo'} is that I'm not sure if it means<br>
"(current) chancellor who has been serving for a long time" or "former<br>
chancellor (who is no longer serving in that position)". Klingon makes<br>
a finer distinction than English for "old (not young)" and "old (not<br>
new)"; but it doesn't make the distinction between "old (not recent)"<br>
and "old (not current)".<br>
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Context will give you this information, as it does in English.</blockquote><div> </div><div>On the other hand, is it safe to assume a Klingon would refer to a chancellor as {?Qang ngo'} in either case? Speaking of someone no longer in office we can say "former," and our usage of "old" is convenient but not inevitable. {?Qang ngo'} isn't inevitable in Klingon, either. One way to refer to a former {Qang} would be {Qang nubwI'}, or "predecessor of the chancellor."</div>
<div><br></div><div>As for a long-serving {Qang}, can {nI'} be used in a phrase like {?Qang nI'}, or only to modify a time period, like {poH nI'}?</div></div><br clear="all"><div>~'eD</div>-- <br>My modeling blog: <a href="http://bellerophon-modeler.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://bellerophon-modeler.blogspot.com/</a><br>
My other modeling blog: <a href="http://bellerophon.blog.com/" target="_blank">http://bellerophon.blog.com/</a><br>
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