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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] do {vIttlhegh} become {ngo'} or {qan}?

David Trimboli ( [KLI Member] [Hol po'wI']

On 9/11/2013 7:42 AM, De'vID wrote:
So KGT rules out {ngo'} applied to people.

Does it rule it out?  When talking about people, typically one is discussing age.

"The word {ngo'} in the phrase above means old as opposed to new.
Thus, it would be applied to objects or ideas, but not to animals or

It certainly rules out something like {nuv ngo'} or {tlhIngan ngo'}.

I see no "certainly" about it. Okrand wasn't ruling out all possibility of using {ngo'} with people; he is just explaining that when one it talking about an elderly person, the correct verb is {qan}, not {ngo'}. You're being too absolute with his text.

A new chancellor is not necessarily young.  He could be 100 years old, but became chancellor just

qen Qang moj. DaH che'bogh Qang ghaH.

The problem with {Qang ngo'} is that I'm not sure if it means
"(current) chancellor who has been serving for a long time" or "former
chancellor (who is no longer serving in that position)". Klingon makes
a finer distinction than English for "old (not young)" and "old (not
new)"; but it doesn't make the distinction between "old (not recent)"
and "old (not current)".

Context will give you this information, as it does in English.


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