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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Use of {net}

Felix Malmenbeck (felixm@kth.se)



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<div style="direction: ltr;font-family: Tahoma;color: #000000;font-size: 10pt;"><font color="black" face="garamond,new york,times,serif" size="3"><span style="font-size:12pt;background-color:white;"><b>&gt; qatlh DujlIj'e' nIHta' ra'wI' net SIv<br>
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</b>I don't believe this is correct; I read it as &quot;One wonders if the commander has stolen your ship for what reason?&quot;<br>
I believe the only example we have of a question being used as an object is {nuq Datlhutlh DaneH?}, and here it's important to note that the whole two-sentence construction is also a question. &quot;I know you want to drink, but what?&quot;<br>
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For &quot;One wonders why the commander has stolen your ship.&quot;, I'd go with something like {DujlIj nIHta'meH ra'wI' meq SIvlu'.} (&quot;One wonders of the motivation for the commander to steal your ship.&quot;). However, as Qov mentions, one should be sure one truly means
 for the wonderers to be unspecified; in English, &quot;one&quot; is sometimes used as an alternative for &quot;I&quot;, &quot;we&quot; or &quot;you&quot;, but this tendency need not have a parallel in Klingon.<br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 15, 2013 19:17<br>
<b>To:</b> Alex Greene; Klingon Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Tlhingan-hol] Use of {net}<br>
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<div><span>I've been thinking about the use of <span style="font-weight:bold">net</span> in a sentence.</span></div>
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<span>The Klingon Dictionary has this to say about <span style="font-weight:bold">
net</span>:-</span></div>
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<span>When the verb of the second sentence has a third-person subject (that is, the pronominal prefix is 0) but the intended meaning is
<span style="font-style:italic">one</span> or <span style="font-style:italic">someone</span>, rather than
<span style="font-style:italic">he</span>, <span style="font-style:italic">she</span>,
<span style="font-style:italic">it</span>, or <span style="font-style:italic">they</span>,
<span style="font-weight:bold">net</span> is used instead of <span style="font-weight:bold">
'e'</span>.<br>
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<span>The Klingon Dictionary uses {<span style="font-weight:bold">net</span>} in two example sentences:-</span></div>
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<span><span style="font-weight:bold">qama'pu' DIHoH net Sov</span> - <span style="font-style:italic">
One knows we kill prisoners</span></span></div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Qu'vaD lI' net tu'bej</span> One certainly finds it useful for the mission<br>
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I wonder. What other uses have you found for <span style="font-weight:bold">net</span> in a sentence?<br>
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Would you, for instance, use <span style="font-weight:bold">qatlh DujlIj'e' nIHta' ra'wI' net SIv</span>
<span style="font-style:italic">One wonders why the Commander stole</span> your <span style="font-style:italic">
ship</span><br>
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or <span style="font-weight:bold">jagh Suvlu'DI' </span><span style="font-weight:bold"><span style="font-weight:bold">net
</span>taj jej lo'nIS; jagh HoSghaj Suvlu'DI' net to' jej lo'nIS</span> <span style="font-style:italic">
When fighting an enemy, one must use a sharp blade; when fighting a powerful enemy, one must use sharp tactics</span> perhaps?<br>
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Tell me how you have used it, or why you have avoided it.<br>
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