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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] the birth of a new word: qorgh
- From: "Bellerophon, modeler" <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] the birth of a new word: qorgh
- Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 23:08:48 -0500
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<div dir="ltr">The beginning of this exchange got me thinking again about how many syllables are possible in Klingon phonology:<div><br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Lieven <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:[email protected]" target="_blank">[email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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During an interview with Marc Okrand, I overwhelmed him and said: "Okay, let's create a new word just now and here, so that people may see how that works. You've got thirty seconds."<br>
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He immediately started laughing and shook is head, but he was willing to play along.<br>
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MO: Oh boy! What do we need a word for? Or maybe a verb? ... Verbs are generally easier.... If I only have such a short time, I would probably just make up a single syllable that hasn't been used yet.<span class=""><font color="#888888"><br>
</font></span></blockquote></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div>Linguists, please excuse me if I inadvertently bend the definition of phoneme in the process of tallying up the number of possible syllables.</div><div class="gmail_extra">
<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Klingon syllables are formed of four phonemes, in order of position:</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"> I: b,ch,D,gh,H,j,l,m,n,ng,p,q,Q,r,S,t,tlh,v,w,y,' (21 possibilities)</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"> II: a,e,I,o,u (5 possibilities)<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"> III: r,w,y,<null> (4 possibilities)</div><div class="gmail_extra">IV: b,ch,D,gh,H,j,l,m,n,ng,p,q,Q,S,t,tlh,v,',<null> (19 possibilities)</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Note that /r/, /w/, and /y/ are not included in IV. Terminal /r/, /w/, and /y/ are already accounted for in III if IV is <null>, and no Klingon syllable ends with -wr or -yr. {meyrI'} and {ghawran} are not exceptions to this rule; they would be syllabified mey-rI' and ghaw-ran.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">There would be 21*5*4*19 possibilities, or 7980, except that position IV is limited if /r/ is in position III. In practice, syllables with /r/ in position III only have /gh/, /q/, or <null> in position IV (to cite the latest example, {qorgh}). Also, /ow/ and /uw/ never occur. The bottleneck is in III: if III is /y/ or <null>, there are 21*5*2*19=3990 possibilities. If III is /w/, there are 21*3*1*19=1197 possibilities. If III is /r/, there are 21*5*1*3=315 possibilities. This makes a total of 5502 possible syllables.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">(New vocabulary could increase the number of possible syllables; a glance at the above list suggests that "barb" could be a Klingon syllable, and certainly /rQ/ seems possible if /rq/ already occurs. If any phoneme in IV except /'/ is allowed after /r/ in position III, the total number of syllables would increase to 7077.)</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">I'd guess Klingon has around 1500 monosyllabic words, so the ratio of sense to nonsense syllables is getting small, less than 1:3. But one error-checking mechanism of a language is that nonsense monosyllables outnumber their intelligible counterparts (though this is probably not the case for Hawaiian). I've run across estimates that English has about 9000 monosyllabic words out of over 100000 possible monosyllables. If I say "cork" at a noisy dinner party, you might hear it as "fork" or "pork," but you would not expect I said "gork." (Actually, it turns out "gork" is medical slang for a brain-dead patient.)</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">So how does this Klingon vocabulary land rush play out?</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">~'eD</div>-- <br>My modeling blog: <a href="http://bellerophon-modeler.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://bellerophon-modeler.blogspot.com/</a><br>
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