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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Story: ghuv = The Recruit - 49

Robyn Stewart (robyn@flyingstart.ca) [KLI Member] [Hol po'wI']



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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-CA link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It is my custom when I write stories, to transfer the degree of certainty in V6s to the POV character in the scene. &nbsp;I can&#8217;t remember if anyone has complained about it before.&nbsp; I think it&#8217;s a valid objection but I also think it&#8217;s a valid technique, less &#8216;out there&#8217; than concrete poetry. I think it&#8217;s akin to describing a scene in the voice and experiences of a character, so that when one POV character passes the field s/he sees &#8220;a horse&#8221; while another sees &#8220;a three year old anglo-arab, chestnut with a white stocking on the off hindleg.&#8221; <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>By your logic I could almost never use &#8211;Hey in a narrative, because when the characters see what to them is a mangHey, I the author know it is a mangna&#8217;. How would you feel in an English language story if the author wrote, &#8220;Torg sees a bucket.&#8221; and then later in the story it turns out to be a cat? I&#8217;m telling you &#8220;Torg seems to hear a motor whining.&#8221; &nbsp;I know damn well whether he hears a motor whining or not [he does] but I&#8217;m not going to give it away yet. &nbsp;It doesn&#8217;t work for you that I as the author am saying I think he can hear a motor.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It&#8217;s noted, however that the technique didn&#8217;t work for you.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>As for vIng, I use it in both English senses and if forced to surrender one I would surrender the &#8220;complains&#8221; meaning, not the &#8220;makes a high pitched noise&#8221; meaning, because we have such a paucity of onomatopoeia.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>But all together you would be content with <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal>'aplo'Daq chuSlaw&#8217; nguSDI' 'e' Qoy torgh.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Which I like better anyway. I probably started with nguSDI&#8217; Qoylaw&#8217; torgh and then added the SAO.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I really appreciate you reading and commenting, and in no way want to shoot you down. Please anyone else comment on whether my V6 use seems appropriate to you.<span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> De'vID [mailto:de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> November 6, 2013 2:56 AM<br><b>To:</b> tlhIngan-Hol<br><b>Cc:</b> Robyn Stewart<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Story: ghuv = The Recruit - 49<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p><br>On 13 Oct 2013 18:13, &quot;Robyn Stewart&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:robyn@flyingstart.ca";>robyn@flyingstart.ca</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt; &nbsp;'aplo'Daq vIng nguSDI' 'e' Qoylaw' torgh. = &quot;In the container a motor<br>&gt; whines - Torg uncertainly hears that.&quot; i.e. &quot;Torg thinks he might hear a<br>&gt; motor whining in the container.&quot;<o:p></o:p></p><p>{-law'} expresses uncertainty on the part of the speaker, not the subject, though.<o:p></o:p></p><p>Also I'm not sure {vIng} applies to {nguSDI'}.<o:p></o:p></p><p>-- <br>De'vID<o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>
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