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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: naj

Bellerophon, modeler (bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com)



<div dir="ltr"><div><div>On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 3:56 PM, David Trimboli <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:david@trimboli.name"; target="_blank">david@trimboli.name</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra">
<div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
Reported speech uses different rules than other sentence-as-object constructions. This was clarified for us by Okrand back in the days of the MSN newsgroups, but the basics are in TKD.<br>
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The only verbs allowed to report a direct quotation are {jatlh} and {ja&#39;}. When used this way the sentence expressing the speaking and the quotation are pushed together end to end, in either order. The quotation is not the object of the sentence expressing speech; this is not an application of the prefix trick.</blockquote>
<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">You cannot put {yInajchu&#39;} between {puqbe&#39;wI&#39;vaD} and {jIjatlh}, because you can&#39;t squeeze a sentence between the verb and its beneficiary. You simply shove the two separate sentences together</blockquote>
<div><br></div><div>That&#39;s the value of this list! If you study grammar on your own and construct sentences, you may think you&#39;re doing it right, but how do you know what you missed? There is no substitute for making mistakes and having them corrected!<div>
<br></div><div>Actually, sentence-as-object constructions always seem to keep the clauses separated. I believe the source of my confusion was relative clauses, which can occur in sentences like {mulegh QIppu&#39;bogh yaS}, where the main clause {mulegh yaS} is interrupted by the relative clause.</div>
</div><div><br></div><div><div><div>Back to verb prefixes, I take it {jatlh} is the only verb that uses intransitive prefixes when a direct object is specified (in the case of {jatlh}, the direct quote). According to <a href="http://mughom.wikia.com";>mughom.wikia.com</a> (who started that anyway? I see some contributions by Qurgh, but a lot more by Anonymous), the object of {ja&#39;} is the addressee rather than the direct quote, so one uses it thus: yaS vIja&#39; &lt;direct quote&gt;, rather than yaS jIja&#39; &lt;direct quote&gt;.</div>
<div><br><div>DaH Qongrupmo&#39; puqbe&#39;wI&#39;vaD jIjatlhnIS &lt;yInajchu&#39;&gt;.</div></div></div><div><br></div><div>~&#39;eD</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div></div><div><br></div></div>-- <br>My modeling blog:          <a href="http://bellerophon-modeler.blogspot.com/"; target="_blank">http://bellerophon-modeler.blogspot.com/</a><br>
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