tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Thu Sep 02 15:52:08 2010
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Re: gha'tlhIq
Thanks for all the responses.
I think I went with the following in the end but I'm finding better ways to
express parts of it all the time.
*tujbogh pem nI' po 'I'wIjDaq SuDqu'bogh DochHom'e' tlher vItu'bogh gha'tlhIq*
I think this was a fun learning experience for me, and I hope I'm not the only
one that learned something new about the tools available to express something
in a more meaningful and clear way. Tools that make you think darn that's a
simple and elegant solution - wish I'd thought of it.
I certainly never thought to use an adjective with a relative clause, I reckon
I was too rigidly using the KGT yellow tea "recipe". I guess if your only tool
is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.
I didn't think to use *thlerwI'* to describe a lump of something either.
I admit to being a little confused by the *poH tuj bI'reS* summer solstice
translation, as *bI'reS* is defined a the beginning/start of something. Guess
it's enshrined in canon now.
I found the insights into the use of noun-noun constructions valuable too, and
I wondered about some things.
I noticed the use of *poH tuj bI'reS po* seemed to create a noun-noun-noun
construction.
Is this truly a noun-noun-noun? Or is this one noun-noun becoming a noun-
phrase. This noun-phrase in turn becomes a noun which is part of another noun-
noun construction?
As there are different rules as to what affixes you can use in the different nouns
in a noun-noun construction, this may become relevant. I think the rule from
TKD was that you can only add type 5 noun suffixes to the second noun. If you
add more nouns, would that rule change to the last noun?
Is a noun-noun-noun-noun construction possible? If I wanted to (go nuts and)
express multiple relationships say, morning of the day of the middle of the
summer and rendered as:
*poH tuj botlh pem po*
I recall Voragh's use if the word *wa'* to indicate any one day, so if we just
have to add that to add more complexity.
*poH tuj botlh pem wa' po*
Can *botlh* represent both temporal and spatial centre/middle?
Middle of an object versus middle of a time period?
Can the type 5 noun suffix -Daq be used with temporal nouns as well as
spatial/locative?
e.g. *poDaq* for in the morning. Or *pemDaq* in the daytime.
Would it even be needed as the whole thing is a time/date-stamp?
Is something like the following possible?
*poH tuj botlhDaq pem wa' po*
Morning of one day in/at/around the middle of the summer.
Thanks,
mupwI'