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Re: House Titles

MorphemeAddict ([email protected]) 

Instead of "mighty" one could use {HoSghaj} (powerful), qar'a'?
lay'tel SIvten

On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 4:35 PM, Steven Boozer <[email protected]> wrote:

> Soqra'tIS:
> >> How would one compose a "House" title?
> >> Want to say "Leader of the mighty house of Raith" or something similar
> >> even just house of Raith
> >>
> >>  <tuq'a' Raith, joH> ??
> >>  <joH tuq'a' Raith> ??
>
>
> There is no word for "be mighty", but you could say {tuq Dun}
> "wonderful/great house" or {tuq Hos} "strong house".
>
> *[tuq'a'} has never been used by Okrand, although it's not out of the
> questions.  Note however that a *{tuq'a'} would be a "Great House" - that is
> a type of House superior to the other Houses (tuq} - for example, a ruling
> House, supreme over all the other Houses (e.g. that of the emperor).
>
> KGT 5:  Some houses (that is, lineages) are more wealthy and powerful than
> others.
>
>
> KGT 36-38:  Klingon society is a stratified one. That is, there are clear
> distinctions between those with great wealth and influence and those with
> little or none. This sort of status is a matter of inheritance. Among the
> higher classes, one is born into an ancestral unit known as a {tuq},
> normally translated house. Some houses are particularly wealthy, controlling
> vast lands by means of armed forces loyal to the particular house. Other
> houses have far less influence and, for survival, often form alliances with
> the larger houses. Each house is led by the eldest male direct descendent of
> the previous leader (there are complex traditions dealing with what happens
> if there is no male heir), and the heads of the larger houses--that is,
> those with the greatest holdings and strongest forces-have seats on the
> Klingon High Council ({tlhIngan yejquv}), the body that rules the Empire.
> Since the number of seats on the Council is limited, many houses are not
> directly represented, are not as influential in Klingon society, and
> therefore occupy a slightly lower social position. In addition to wielding
> great political influence, members of the higher classes are also better
> educated than are others, particularly in the area of the arts.
>    Houses routinely contribute troops, ships, and weaponry and go into
> battle to help advance the Empire's objectives. On the other hand, it is not
> unusual for the interests of the various houses and their leaders to be at
> odds with one another, leading to hostilities between houses, sometimes
> lasting generations Depending on a house's successes in any of these
> battles, its holdings--and therefore its overall influence in the
> society--may increase or decrease. A house's place in society may also be
> adversely affected by the behavior of its leadership. If the High Council
> determines an action to be dishonorable, not only may it remove the leader
> of a house from the Council itself, it may also seize the house's lands,
> forces, and other holdings.
>    Though members of the lower levels of society may not identify
> themselves as members of a house, they usually have pledged loyalty to one.
> Typically, members of this class work as servants or perform duties
> necessary for the daily functioning of the Empire's undertakings. Many serve
> as members of a house's military forces.
>    The Klingon military, of course, has a hierarchical structure of its
> own, with ranks and areas of authority spelled out explicitly. Various
> fleets and squadrons are loyal to various houses, though, as might be
> expected, the details of these alliances are subject to change. Within the
> Klingon Defense Force ({tlhIngan Hubbeq}), which includes the entire Klingon
> military apparatus, the highest officers tend to be members of influential
> houses, particularly the members of the ultimate military authority, the
> High Command ({ra'ghomquv}).
>
>
> qurgh:
> >House Raith - Raith tuq
> >Lord of House Raith - Raith tuq joH
>
> Okrand wrote on st.klingon (9/01/1997):
>
> *******************************************************************
> From: "Marc Okrand"
> Newsgroups: msn.onstage.startrek.expert.okrand
> Date: 01 Sep 1997
> Subject: Re: family names
>
> According to Maltz, there are at least a couple of ways to identify
> a Klingon's house (or {tuq}).
>
> One way is the way you suggested.  To say "Kahlor of the House of
> Molor" (or, if you prefer, "Kahlor from the House of Molor"), you'd
> say simply "Kahlor, House of Molor":
>
>    qeylor molor tuq
>
> If you want to be even more formal, the name of the father may be
> used as well -- again, as you suggested.  "Kahlor, son of Kahlin,
> of the House of Molor" is "Kahlor, son of Kahlin, House of Molor":
>
>    qeylor qeylIn puqloD molor tuq
>
> The other way is actually more formal and a bit formulaic.  To say
> "Kahlor is of the House of Molor" (or "Kahlor is from the House of
> Molor"), you could say:
>
>    tay' qeylor molor tuq je
>
> This is literally "Kahlor and the House of Molor are together".  The
> construction is no doubt based on the Klingon proverb "One is always
> of his tribe" (literally, "a person and his house are always together"):
>
>    reH tay' ghot tuqDaj je
>
> If Kahlor is speaking, he could say, "I am of the House of Molor":
>
>    matay' jIH molor tuq je
>
> Or if one were speaking to Kahlor, one could say, "You are of the
> House of Molor":
>
>    Sutay' SoH molor tuq je
>
> Literally, these are "The House of Molor and I are together", "The
> House of Molor and you are together".  The independent pronouns
> ({jIH} "I" and {SoH} "you" in the examples above) are always used
> in this construction.
>
> *******************************************************************
>
> And don't forget {tuqnIgh}:
>
> HQ 9.3 (p.8):  {tuqnIgh} is used to refer to any member of a house. Thus,
> qeng tuqnIgh is "a member of the House of Kang", and {tuqnIghwI'} is "a
> member of my house}.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Voragh
> Canon Master of the Klingons
>
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