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Re: nom*i*nal*ize 2. to convert (an underlying clause) into a noun phrase

David Trimboli ( [KLI Member] [Hol po'wI']

Steven Boozer wrote:
> qe'San:
>>> Sule'choHmeH yantaHghachDaj bobejnIS.  ghIq boqeqlI'chu' in order
>>> for you to become exceptional you need to watch his sword
>>> manipulation then train perfectly
> SuStel:
>> Your sentence is correct, but you don't need -ghach for this. 
>> Sule'choHmeH yantaH 'e' bobejnIS; ghIq peqeqnISchu'lI'.
>>> Or can I add -chu'? It seems right to me to have verb
>>> qualification on the pre-nominalized verb rather than a
>>> qualification on the noun.
>> We have no rule against it, but again {'e'} makes this easier: 
>> Sule'choHmeH yanchu'taH 'e' bobejnIS...
>>> On another subject there, am I right to use -lI' on boqeqlI'chu'
>>> or does qeq imply an ongoing aspect by it's very meaning?
>> {qeq} does not imply "ongoing" or "ongoing toward a known stopping 
>> point." Leaving the -lI' off would not be wrong, but including it 
>> makes the sentence that much more specific in meaning.
> Two thoughts...
> I'm not sure {-lI'} is appropriate here.  What is the "known goal or
> ... definite stopping point" (cf. TKD p.42) of {qeq} "practice,
> train, prepare"?  Proficiency?  Or just the end of the training
> session (e.g. 4:00)?

The stopping point was stated explicity: Sule'choHmeH.

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