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Re: na'ran rur [Re: Klingon WOTD: na' (verb)]

Doq (doq@embarqmail.com)



Yeah.

Otherwise, you are making a rather derogatory statement about na'ran.  
"Earthers enjoy that they eat na'ran, which is resembled by food." It  
isn't food, but food does resemble it.

Since "food" is a more general word and {na'ran} is one kind of food,  
you have enough context here to assume that the relative clause is  
grouping together foods that resemble {na'ran} as the direct object of  
"eat", rather than using the relative clause as a parenthetical remark  
about {na'ran}, which happens to be a thing that food resembles.

I guess you could reach WAY OUT THERE and imagine that there is a  
variety to types of {na'ran}, some of which food resembles, and some  
of which food does not resemble, and you are only talking about eating  
the {na'ran} which food resembles. That's a bit of a stretch, though,  
especially since it would be far more natural in this case to talk  
about {na'ran} resembling food, instead of the other way around.

But if Earthers also enjoy eating {na'ran}, shouldn't we say  
{SoptaHvIS tera'nganpu' rurchuqbogh Soj na'ran je tIv.}

Yeah, I know. It's weird. Still, it's a valid expression of an idea.  
While Earthers eat, they enjoy {na'ran}s and food which resemble each  
other.

Now, it's clear that they enjoy eating food that resembles {na'ranmey}  
and {na'ranmey} that resembles food.

{{:-)>

Doq

On Sep 30, 2009, at 5:57 PM, David Trimboli wrote:

> qurgh lungqIj wrote:
>> On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 4:26 PM, David Trimboli  
>> <david@trimboli.name> wrote:
>>> na'ran rurbogh Soj luSop tera'ngan 'e' lutIv.
>>>
>> Should there be an -'e' on Soj to mark is as the head noun of the - 
>> bogh
>> clause or is that optional?
>>
>> na'ran rurbogh Soj'e' luSop tera'ngan 'e' lutIv.
>
> It's optional. Given that {na'ran rur} is a recognized clause with a
> specific meaning, there isn't really any confusion as to what the
> sentence means.
>
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