tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed Nov 25 16:00:56 2009
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Re: The topic marker -'e'
ghunchu'wI' wrote:
> {-lu'} is an indication that the subject is indefinite or unknown.
> That's *all* it is. It does not turn objects into subjects. It does
> not turn patients into agents. It does not turn an active verb into
> a passive one.
Despite the poor conduct, he is almost entirely correct. There is one
special fact about {-lu'}, though: it requires using the verb prefixes
in an unusual way. Mixed-up prefixes do not, however, equal mixed up
arguments to the verb.
(jIH) cholegh (SoH)
you see me
(jIH) vIleghlu'
I am seen
one sees me
(There is no way, in this basic sentence, to indicate that YOU see
me.)
In both cases, {jIH} is both the object and the patient/theme (depending
on your linguistic upbringing). In going from one to the other, the
subject vanishes (it does not get demoted to a complement—one of the
requirements of passive voice) and the object remains the same (it does
not get promoted to subject—another requirement of passive voice). This
is not a passive.
This is also not antipassive voice. In antipassive voice, the object
vanishes or gets demoted; this does not happen here.
I just found something interesting on Wikipedia: fourth person in
Baltic-Finnish languages:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_voice#The_fourth_person_in_Baltic-Finnic_languages
These languages have a "common person" which is formed by simply leaving
out the agent. This sounds very much like Klingon {-lu'}.
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