tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Thu Nov 19 13:16:50 2009
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RE: Locatives
- From: Terrence Donnelly <[email protected]>
- Subject: RE: Locatives
- Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:15:51 -0800 (PST)
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--- On Thu, 11/19/09, Steven Boozer <[email protected]> wrote:
Voragh:
> Tracy Canfield:
> >> (1) Can it be used with nouns referring to
> people? Some languages
> >> with locative constructions use them with nouns
> for people, with
> >> meanings along the lines of "where so-and-so is"
> or "at so-and-so's
> >> house." Does Klingon allow this?
> >
>...
>
> I've long wondered about this. We finally saw an
> example in HolQeD 10.2 in Okrand's article on the finer
> points of using the "finger verbs":
>
> qI'empeqDaq jIqan
> (I think that) K'mpec is old
> (lit. "I point at K'mpec with my little
> finger"). (HQ 10.2:11)
>
> I don't see why we shouldn't be able to say:
>
> wo'rIvDaq qaghom.
> I'll meet you at Worf's.
>
> quwarghDaq matlhutlh DaneH'a'?
> Do you want to get a drink at Quark's?
>
I don't see how you get from your example sentence to an equivalent for "chez". All it establishes to me is that you can use {-Daq} with a proper name, which I thought had already been established. {wo'rIvDaq qaghom} only says to me "We gather at (around, next to?) Worf." Nothing about a person's name standing in for a place associated with that person (pedantic bonus: I believe that's called synecdoche).
In English, "Let's go to Quark." is very different from "Let's go to Quark's." It's the possessive that establishes the synechdochic association (being understood as a contraction of "Quark's place"), not the locative.
-- ter'eS
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