tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed Nov 11 14:39:16 2009

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Re: Yet another newbie!

Krenath (


If I'm understanding it properly, 'oH and 'oHtaH may be analogous to  
the verbs "ser" and "estar" in Spanish.


'oH and ser talk about what something is when that aspect is somewhat  

'oHtaH and estar talk about what something is *currently* when that  
aspect is expected to be able to change, such as a location

Sound about right?

On Nov 11, 2009, at 4:42 PM, Terrence Donnelly < 
 > wrote:

> --- On Wed, 11/11/09, Steven Boozer <> wrote:
>>>>   bIQ'a'Daq 'oHtaH 'etlh'e'
>>>>   The sword is in the ocean. KGT
>> ter'eS:
>>> But not with negatives? ?{bIQ'a'Daq 'oHbe' 'etlh'e'}
>> That's an interesting question.  AFAIK we don't have
>> any examples of {PRONOUNtaHbe'} or {PRONOUNbe'taH} in the
>> corpus, whether referring to location or not.
> I actually like plain {'oHbe'} by analogy with {'oH} used in a  
> question (eg. {nuqDaq 'oH}). In the question, you don't know if  
> something has continued existence somewhere, so you don't presume  
> that, only ask if it exists. In the positive answer, you are  
> stressing its presumed continued existence in a given place. In the  
> negative, you are focusing on the fact that something is not  
> somewhere; stressing its on-going not-being seems redundant.
> -- ter'eS

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