tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Tue Nov 03 12:19:19 2009
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Sentences as objects
- From: Tracy Canfield <[email protected]>
- Subject: Sentences as objects
- Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 15:14:52 -0500
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I have some questions about verbs in the TKD glossary that could potentiall
take sentences as objects. TKD only gives a few examples of these
constructions, mostly in section 6.2.5. ter'eS has additional information
at http://teresh.tdonnelly.org/kliadd6.html . I'm finding that I have some
questions that go beyond both sources.
I've grouped potentially similar verbs together to make this more readable -
I realize of course that they're not guaranteed to behave the same way.
1. Verbs of speech
This seems straightforward enough - only two verbs, jatlh and ja', can be
used with reported speech. So, just to confirm, none of the following can
be used with reported speech in the same sentences:
admit chID
ask thlob
communicate Qum
deny tem
explain QIj
I'm guessing that you can use these in two sentences: jagh jeylu'.
vIQIjpu'. "The enemy was defeated. I explained it." for an equivalent to
"I explained that the enemy was defeated."
2. Verbs of observation
TKD gives a few example sentences for these:
see legh
yaS qIppu' 'e' vIlegh
discover, find, observe, notice tu'
Qu'vaD lI' net tu'bej
I find it interesting that the 'e' and net constructions can be used both
with sensory verbs and with more abstract verbs.
Here are some other verbs I might expect to take sentence objects using 'e'
and net:
hear Qoy
learn ghoj
read laD
realize tlhoj
verify 'ol
watch bej
Do we have any examples of these with sentence objects?
3. Verbs of mental processes
TKD gives us two examples with Sov, which takes a sentence object with 'e'
or net:
know Sov
qamapu' DIHoH 'e' luSov
qamapu' DIHoH net Sov
The following verbs have related meanings - they all deal with mental
processes. Do we have any information about which ones do or don't work the
same way?
believe Har
doubt Hon
expect pIH
forget lIj
judge, estimate noH
recognize ghov
regret pay
remember qaw
think Qub
understand yaj
4. Verbs of wanting
TKD shows that neH takes a sentence object without using a complementizer
such as 'e' or net:
want neH
jIQong vIneH
Do these verbs work the same way?
hope tul
prefer maS
5. Other verbs which take sentence objects in human languages
Finally, the TKD glossary includes several verbs which would take sentence
objects* in human languages, but which aren't particularly similar to the
verbs of perceiving, knowing, or desiring for which we see sample
sentences. Are any of these verbs known to take sentence objects?
advise qeS
allow, permit chaw'
attempt, try nID
decide wuq demand, require poQ
discourage tung
help, aid QaH
intend, mean to Hech
order, command ra'
plan nab
prevent, block, prohibit bot
recommend, suggest chup
show, reveal 'ang
vow, swear 'Ip
* In many cases, including English, these "sentence objects" take forms that
wouldn't be allowed in a standalone sentence - we say "He goes" but "I want
him to go". Since none of these forms have Klingon equivalents that I know
if, I'm trying to avoid getting sidetracked into non-Klingon grammar.