tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Mon Mar 30 07:04:17 2009
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RE: joj
naHQqun:
>>> Allright, years later, I'm still confused by (joj). I
>>> understand that it works the same way as ('em) and the like,
>>> but generally you want 2 nouns when saying "between".
>>>
>>> I can say ('uSDu'lIj joj), but how do I add in another noun?
>>>
>>> For clarity, the sentence in question is "The maximum size of the log
>>> file must be between X and Y MB."
SuStel:
>> {joj} refers to a spatial kind of between, not the kind you're talking
>> about.
We have one example of {joj} "area between" in canon:
poSDaq nIHDaq je QamtaHvIS SuvwI'pu', chaH jojDaq yItnIS lopwI'
The initiate must pass through a gauntlet of warriors. (S9)
Note that in this case {joj} doesn't follow the noun {SuvwI'pu'} but the pronoun {chaH}.
>> We have no simple and convenient way to do what you want.
>>
>> ta 'aqroS tIn law' X MB tIn puS 'ej Y MB tIn law' ta 'aqroS tIn puS
>> net poQ.
Doq:
>I agree that {joj} for "between" seems wrong here. Another approach
>might be:
>
>le' De'wI' QonoS 'aqroS mI'. tlhoy puS X. tlhoy tIn Y.
The Klingon Bird-of-Prey Poster gives us many clues on using numbers:
{'aqroS} "maximum" (lit. "top [interior]"):
'aqroS qughDo: pIvlob Hut vI' vagh
Maximum Cruising Speed - Warp 9.5 (KBoP)
jabbI'ID pup: Qapchu'meH 'aqroS chuq: cha' vI' chorgh loghqammey
High Resolution - Maximum Effective Range - 3.5 Light Years (KBoP)
{rav} (lit. "floor") seems to be used for "minimum":
Hung buv rav: patlh Hut
classified level 9 and above (KBoP)
(lit. "security classification 'floor': level nine")
(One might have expected {bIS'ub} "bottom (interior)" as the counterpart to {'aqroS} "top (interior)", but Okrand is unpredictable!) If this is right, you could state it plainly:
ta mI' 'aqroS: X MB; ta mI' rav: Y MB
maximum file size ("number"): X MB; minimum file size: Y MB
Also note that the verb {togh} "count" can be used for "to number":
cha' vI' vagh choQmey lutoghlu'
Number of Decks: 2.5 (KBoP)
(lit. two point five decks are counted")
You should be able to combine these two ideas.
--
Voragh
Canon Master of the Klingons