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RE: Klingon orthography (was: Okrand at qep'a')

DloraH ([email protected]) [Hol po'wI']

> >>> If there is (which I doubt), it would have to use only the 26
> >>> letters of the English alphabet, possibly with the apostrophe, as is
> >>> the case now.
> >>
> >> Why?
> >
> > For me it would be because that is what is on my keyboard.
> 
> There is a difference between what is printed on a keyboard and what  
> is accessible via a keyboard driver. Alt and shift-alt (option and  
> shift-option) are widely used to extend keyboards beyond what is on  
> the key caps. The euro sign didn't use to be in keyboard drivers. It  
> is now.

I am aware of that.  I currently have the drivers for Maori and Thai on my home computer, and I have done Russian and Arabic on my computer at work.  I don't like doing excessive key combinations, especially when it would need to be done in so many words.

 
> >> All of the characters use the Latin script.
> >>
> >>> Where's the "dotless question mark" key on a Latin keyboard?
> >>
> >> The glottal stop? On my keyboard I type shift-option-. and 
> then space
> >> to get it. ÊÊÊÊ
> >
> > What do you mean by "option"?
> > Shift-. gives me ?
> 
> By "option" I mean the "alt" key, using the Irish Extended 
> keyboard on  
> Mac OS X. Shift-. gives me ? too. Alt-. gives me â. 
> Shift-alt-. gives  
> me a deadkey which can generate É Æ É Æ É É É Æ É Æ Ê Ê Ê  
> Æ Ê É Æ È (a bunch of letters with hooks used in IPA, African  
> languages, and Gothic).
> 
> All operating systems support multiple keyboard drivers.
> 
> >>> Your examples are full of untypeable characters, and a few   
> >>> unprintable ones.
> >>
> >> I typed nearly all of them with the Irish Extended keyboard that  
> >> ships with Mac OS X.
> >
> > Ah!  I don't have an Irish Extanded keyboard.
> 
> It is not hardware. My hardware keyboard is the Apple standard UK  
> keyboard (same as the Apple standard US keyboard except for 
> two small  
> differences irrelevant here). If you are running Mac OS X the Irish  
> Extended keyboard (software keyboard driver) is in there.

The "option" label is hardware.  I didn't know about that key.  Is it next to the "any" key?



> > Some of your characters didn't show up on my computer.
> 
> One would have to ask what computer it is, and what operating 
> system.  
> Not "showing up" means most likely that you don't have a font  
> installed that covers them.

But on some computers, like if I read my mail at work or in a hotel lobby, I can not install some other font.  What ever system we use would need to work with the "default" install.


> 
> > On my PDA, those that do show up are completely different symbols.
> 
> That's a little too vague for me to imagine what you are seeing.

Whether you knew more or not wouldn't change what symbol shows up on my PDA.

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