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Re: <<-meH>> lo'bogh mu'tlhegh 'ay'mey'e'

Doq ([email protected]) 

-----Original Message-----
>From: QeS 'utlh <[email protected]>
>Sent: Jan 12, 2007 8:18 AM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: <<-meH>> lo'bogh mu'tlhegh 'ay'mey'e'
>
>ghItlhpu' Doq, ja':
>>jIqawchu'chugh, Okrand chovnatlh'a'mey pojlu'DI', wot DelDI'  
>>ngoQmu'tlheghHom, reH moHaq ghaj <<-meH>> ngaSbogh wot'e', 'ach DIp  DelDI' 
>>ngoQmu'tlheghHom, not moHaq ghaj <<-meH>> ngaSbogh wot'e'.
>
><not> yIjatlhQo'. DIp tlhejbogh <-meH> mu'tlheghHommey 'ej moHaq lo'bogh 
>DIghaj. wa' 'oH <qaSuchmeH 'eb>'e'.

DIpmu'tlheghHomvamvaD Hal nuq? not vIleghpu'. 'I' rur 'e' vItulHa'.

>>chovnatlhmey vIchup:
>>1. jIQummeH QInvam vIlob. (jIQum vIneHmo', QInvam vIlob. wot Del, vaj
>>moHaq vIlo'.)
>>2. QummeH QIn vIlob. (QIn le' vIlob. QummeH Qu' 'oH QInvam Qu''e'.  DIp 
>>Del, vaj moHaq vIlo'be'.)
>>latlh chut rur chutvam:
>>1. jItIn. (wot 'oH mu' <<tIn>> vaj moHaq vIlo'.)
>>2. 'etlh tIn vIghaj. (DIp Del mu' <<tIn>>, vaj moHaq vIlo'be'.)
>
>Dajqu'. not qechvam vIqelpu'.

... jIjangpu' 'ach ghIq jIqelqa'. jIjangbe' 'e' vImaS.

>>mu'tlhegh naQ 'oHlaH wot. mu' neH 'oH DIp. tlhIngan Hol qellu'DI',  wot 
>>potlh law' DIp potlh puS.
>
>tlhIngan Hol'e' mu'tlhegh tIq 'oHbej wot'e'.

bIqar.

>>DIp DaDelDI', ngajnIS DelwI'. Hol poD  yIlo'. moHaq yIlo'Qo'.
>
>moHaq DIlo'laHtaH, 'ach wIlo'nISbe'. tlhoy HoSghaj <Qo'> 'e' vIHar.

maQochlaH. qay'be'. DIpvaD, moHaq vIjunlaH 'ej choyajlaH. DIpvaD moHaq Dalo'laH 'ej qayajlaH. moH 'e' vIHar, 'ach pIj vIyajlaH.

>>pIj DIp vIDel vIneHDI', ngoQmu'tlheHHom naQ vIlo' vIneH,
>
>As a point of style, you might want to consider using {vIneHchugh} here 
>rather than {vIneHDI'}. The latter sounds odd to me here, like as though 
>there were no logical connection between the two sentences.

maQoch. rut DIp vIDel. DIp vIDelDI', ngoQmu'tlheghHom naQ vIlo' vIneH, 'ach jIqelqa'DI', vIlo'Qo'. latlh mIw vISam.

chaq qaSchugh vay', <<-chugh>> vIlo', 'ach qaSbejchugh vay', <<-DI'>> vIlo'. qaSbej ghu'vam, vaj <<-DI'>> vIlo'ta'.

>>ngeDmo' 'ej  vIyajlaHmo', 'ach ghaytan chovnatlh'a'mey DIHutlhmo' qab 
>>mu'tlheghvam.
>
>qech DaDel 'e' DanIDbogh vIyajbe'. qab nuq?

chovnatlh qab: paw DanarghmeH Duj.

vIDub: paw narghmeH DujlIj.

qatlh qab? yIqel: DanarghmeH Duj vI'or.

ghaytan <<DanarghmeH vI'or.>> DapIH. ghaytan <<DanarghmeH Duj 'oH.>> DapIHbe'. moH. meq Hutlh.

>>qab chovnatlh: qaja'meH QIn vIlab (qaja' vIneH, 'ej Qu'vam 'oH QInvam  
>>Qu''e'. DIp vIDel vIneH.)
>
>qabbe'bej chovnatlhvam  'e' vIHar. mu'tlhegh <qaja'meH QIn vIlab> vIyajchu': 
>"I send a message for me to talk to you".

<< qaja'meH vIlab.>> 'e' vIpIH jIH. <<qaja'meH QIn 'oH.>> vIpIHbe'bej.

>>meqwIj DaleghlaH'a'?
>
>ghobe', jIyajbe'taH. wej qech vIyajlaH. (Perhaps {yaj} rather than {legh} 
>here; the latter seems too much like a literal translation of the English 
>"do you see my reasoning?")

jaS mu' <<legh>> lo' tlhInganpu' tera'nganpu' je 'e' Daloy. jaS jIloypu'. qaberghbe'moHmeH <<yaj>> vIlo'qang.

>>ghaytan, <<qaja'meH QIn qalab>> laDlu'DI', mu'tlhegh <<QIn vIlab>>  Del 
>><<qaja'meH>> net pIH.
>
>ghobe'; jIHvaD cha' wIvmey lutu'lu'. (DIvI' Hol: I see the construction as 
>ambiguous rather than expecting {qaja'meH} to necessarily modify one or the 
>other.)
>
>>pabpo' jIHbe'. vuD neH 'oH QInvam.
>
>naDev potlh Hoch vuD. taghwI' vuD lo'laH law' pabpo' vuD lo'laH rap.

nuqjatlh?

chaq: potlh Hoch vuD. pagh vuD potlh law' latlh vuD potlh puS.

>QeS 'utlh
>tlhIngan Hol yejHaD pabpo' / Grammarian of the Klingon Language Institute
>
>
>not nItoj Hemey ngo' juppu' ngo' je
>(Old roads and old friends will never deceive you)
>     - Ubykh Hol vIttlhegh

bIpotlhlaw'. jatlhwI' neH jIH.

Doq

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