tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Mon Aug 13 08:31:54 2007

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Re: mu' chu' - 'el'I'jaH (?)

Robyn Stewart ([email protected]) [KLI Member] [Hol po'wI']

I'm saying the word over and over again to hear the part that is hard to say.

Someone implied that stop-stop-c-v-H was hard, but the rhythm of 
'el'I'jaH is pretty much replicated in English "ill-adjusted" --  the 
beginning comes out pretty close to 'Il'a'ja... when I say it, except 
with the vowels being more schwaed.

HIyajmoH.

At 10:55 AM 8/13/2007, you wrote:

> >Qov:
> > >>paqDaq latlh mu' ghaj Okrand 'e' vIlegh. <'el'I'jaH> 'oHlaw'. 'ej
> > >>"uninvited guest" 'oS.  mu'vetlh maqbejbe'mo' chaq mu'na' bIHbe'.
> >
> >QeS:
> > >chaq. 'ach mu'na' 'oHchugh tlhIngan Hol qID ngaSlaw' je. chaq {'I'} qID
> > >yajlaHbe' tlhIngan Hol jatlhwI' - chay' qechvammey lurarlu', "armpit"
> > >"uninvited guest" je? - 'ach lughlaw' {'el} {jaH} je: 'el, Sop, ghIq jaH
> > >'el'I'jaH.
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>Voragh:
> >>Do we have {'el'I'jaH} spelled right?  Qov, did you hear three separate
> >>glottal stops /'/?  This sounds a bit odd for a pun on Elijah (*Eliyahu* in
> >>Hebrew) the uninvited/unexpected guest, even for Okrand.
>
>Qov:
> >I never heard it pronounced. He opened a notebook and uncovered the
> >word. I most certainly could have remembered it incorrectly. I saw it
> >only as a Klingonized Elijah. I don't know Hebrew, so I wouldn't have
> >recognized Eliyahu. I remembered it as containing all the letters of
> >elijaH, with some stops thrown in. It could easily have been
> >'elI'jaH. I think Lawrence saw it too, maybe he remembers.
>
>ghunchu'wI':
> >  <'el'I'jaH> vIlaDbej jIH.
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>Voragh:
> >>It strikes me that the sequence /'-'-'-H/ in one word would be very
> >>difficult for most people to pronounce.  (Not that that would stop Okrand,
> >>of course. <g>)
>
>Quvar:
> >I do not see any problem here; {'el'I'jaH} follows the typical klingon
> >letter pattern (cvc), and is compound of three syllables, which are not
> >difficult to pronounce: {'el-'I'-jaH}
>
>Perhaps not for you, but I would guess most native English speakers would
>have a bit of trouble enunciating three alifs /'/ in a row clearly.
>
>Voragh:
> >>Also, we've only seen the syllable - or even the string - {'I'} once
> >>before: in {'I'} "armpit".
>
>Quvar:
> >That might be a coincidence; we do have 'a', 'e', 'I', 'o', 'u'.  You are
> >right, no other word contains the syllable 'I'.  Do you think of a
> >spelling like qelI'qam, Ha'DIbaH or vIlInHoD?
>
>'ISqu':
> >The word Okrand wrote in my notebook during last year's qep'a' was spelled
> ><<'elI'jaH>>. The English translation, written by Lawrence below the
> >Klingon word, was "unexpected visitor".
>
>Aha!  Now *that* spelling wouldn't surprise me at all.  Perhaps Okrand got
>carried away with the /'/s when he wrote it in that notebook.  Interesting,
>that Okrand had already come up with this at least a year ago.  (During a
>Seder, perhaps?)  I wonder how many other words he's coined - and Lawrence
>knows - there are that we don't know about?
>
>Assuming everyone is remembering this correctly, perhaps
>{'elI'jaH}/{'el'I'jaH} exists in two variants.  We've seen this before with
>{qItI'nga'} "K'Tinga class (vessel)" which I believe was once seen spelled
>{qI'tI'nga'} with an extra /'/ - interestingly next to the vowel /I/ again.
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