tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Thu May 25 08:22:34 2006
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Re: ST6 transcription problems
QeS wrote:
>ghItlhpu' Voragh, ja':
> >What did you get for the Warden's lines? I had trouble understanding him.
>
> In addition,
>I don't know what {-nIS} is doing there: "I need to be able to track them
>for you"? Maybe he's indirectly requesting permission to track them? If so,
>it's not a very Klingon way of doing so.
Well, he's afraid Chang will have him killed. Frankly, I would have
expected to hear {-neS}. Are you sure it's {-nIS}? Aside from the fact
that high-ranking Klingon generals always need to be handled with kid
gloves, the warden is a loose end in the conspiracy. More importantly,
he's a loose end whose failure threatens to expose their plot to kill
Azetbur and frame the Federation.
> >Korrd: <nughoSbej>
> > (We've been betrayed!)
> > [lit. They're approaching us! (for numaghbej ?)]
>
>Korrd says {nutojbej} "they definitely tricked us". This is one line I had
>no problems with, although the first {j} sounds more like a fricative than
>an affricate, which might explain why you heard it as {S} rather than {j}.
Aha! That makes much more sense.
> >Could you make anything of Grokh's line after {pe'vIl DIHIvlaH...} here?
>
>I thought this was one of the worst-enunciated bits of Klingon in the entire
>film. {{:) No, I couldn't pick it up, but I can have another go at
>transcribing it. (Did Okrand take any notes from the lines he wrote for
>ST6?)
I'm sure he did, but AFAIK they've never been published. He's only
published his notes for ST5 in HolQeD. It would sure be nice if the KLI
could get hold of all of Okrand's notes. <g>
> >Since QeS has just listened to ST6 again, this is an opportunity to work
> >out a few more fragments from Grokh and Koord that I couldn't quite
> >make out:
>
>There was much of it that I also was unable to make out; I'll be having
>another shot at it. {{:) I intend to purchase ST6 on DVD sometime very soon,
>which should allow for better sound quality et cetera. I'll also have more
>of a chance to transcribe these things this weekend. Since you've given me
>an idea of what to watch for now, I might print out your transcriptions and
>use those as guides to when to turn on my {tlhIngan teSDu'}.
Good. Let me give you - and anyone else who wants to try - my entire ST6
transcript, with your corrections added. If you prefer, I can send this to
you off-list as a MS-Word document since the character formatting (bolding,
italics) will make it much easier to read). Note I've added some variant
dialog as it appeared in the novelization in {curly brackets} which may
reflect the version Okrand worked with before the subtitles were edited and
added in post-production.
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STAR TREK VI: THE UNDISCOVERED COUNTRY (ST6)
The translations in parentheses are the (subtitles) as they appear in the
movie followed by the [closed captions] in brackets, which was helpful in
places where there were no subtitles. Angle brackets indicate
<uncertainties> in the transcription due to muttered dialogue, background
music or sound effects. I have added excerpts in {curly brackets} from J.M.
Dillard's novelization which may reflect an earlier version of Nicholas
Meyer & Denny Martin Flinn's screenplay (story by Leonard Nimoy, Nicholas
Meyer and Denny Martin Flinn) used by the novelist in her adaptation. The
{tlhIngan Hol} in the movies is actually pretty good; Marc Okrand himself
coached many of the actors. Though this film had a lot of Klingon, much of
it was untranslated in the background, muted and strangely distorted.
Emergency transmission from Praxis to Excelsior:
Ininis: ghoQaH... <...>
[Help us! <???>] (untranslated)
[speaking klingon] (captions)
{"This is an emergency! We have suffered--"}
State dinner aboard the Enterprise:
Chang: taH pagh taHbe'
("To be or not to be.")
[(in klingon) to be or not to be.] (captions)
[Originally: yIn pagh yInbe'. When filming the scene, actor
Actor Christopher Plummer didn't feel it sounded "Klingon
enough," so Okrand quickly changed it to taH.]
Azetbur: vavoy [toasting her father]
[My father!] (untranslated)
[vavoy.] (captions)
In the Enterprise transporter room, after dinner:
Chang: DaH machegh
[We're returning now.] (untranslated)
[DaH machegh.] (captions)
{He pulled his communicator from his belt, spoke a few words
into it, and nodded to Kirk.}
The attack on Kronos One (much untranslated shouting):
-----------------------------------------------unverified fragments----
Korrd: <numagh>
[They've betrayed us.] (untranslated)
{We're hit!"}
_____: <Qu'vatlh>
[$%##@!] (untranslated)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
_____: <... yItu'>
[Find ...!] (untranslated)
_____: tlham chu'Ha'lu' (?)
(We've lost gravity!)
{"Gravity generator!" someone called behind him.}
[some heard: tlham <chIl>lu'. Cf. sound file at
<http://www.qephom.de/tlham.mp3>http://www.qepHom.de/tlham.mp3 (20 kB)]
_____: chay' jura'
[What are your orders?] (untranslated)
[chay' jura'] (captions)
_____: nuqDaq bIH
[Where are they?] (untranslated)
_____: chach
[Emergency!] (untranslated)
Korrd: nutojbej
(We've been betrayed!)
[lit. They've definitely tricked us!]
Guard1: yotwI'
[Intruder!] (untranslated)
[yotwI'!] (captions)
Gorkon: cheng'e' DaH Sam
(Find Chang.)
Korrd: SoH 'Iv jay'
[Who the hell are you?] (untranslated)
[SoH 'Iv jay'?] (captions)
Korrd: ghoQaH
[Help us!] (untranslated)
[ghoQaH] (captions)
_____: qaStaH nuq jay'
[What the hell is happening?] (untranslated)
[gaStaH nug jay'?] (captions)
_____: tlham chach chu'qa'
(Restoring auxiliary gravity...)
{Gravity generator!"}
_____: ropyaH yIghuHmoH
[Alert sick bay!] (untranslated)
[ropyaH yIghuHmoH!] (captions)
_____: yIwoH [lifting Gorkon onto table]
[Pick him up!] (untranslated)
_____: yI<Hot>be' (??)
[Don't touch him!] (untranslated)
Guard: HItlhej [escorting McCoy out of room]
[Come with me!] (untranslated)
War council on Kronos One after Gorkon's assassination:
Kerla: DIHIvlaHtaHvIS DaH DIHIvnIS!
(Attack them now, while we still can!)
Khmarr: DIHIvbe'ch[ugh] qo'chajDaq toy'wI''a' DImoj. (?)
(Attack or be slaves in their world.)
Grokh: Qo'! pe'vIl DIHIvlaH, <kapla> tlhob <be---HaH > (??)
(We can take whole by force, what they propose to divide.)
Azetbur: ghu'maj Dayajbe'law', Sa'.
(untranslated)
{"You don't seem to grasp our situation, General.}
Azetbur: notlh veS... 'a tugh manotlhchoH je maH.
(War is obsolete, General...as we are in danger of becoming.)
{War is...obsolete. As we are in danger of becoming.}
Kerla: QamvIS Hegh qaq law' torvIS yIn qaq puS.
("Better to die on our feet than live on our knees.")
Azetbur: 'e' neHbe' vavwI'. [or vavoy]
(That wasn't what my father wanted.)
Chang: Your father was killed for what he wanted.
Kirk and McCoy's show trial on Kronos:
Chang: ...taH pagh. Qo'noS wa'Daq baHta' <DaH wa'noS> ...
(... that Enterprise fired on Kronos One without provocation.)
[taH pagh. Qo'noS wa'Daq baHta'.] (captions)
[(translator) the enterprise fired on kronos one without
provocation] (captions)
{"The state will show, that Enterprise fired on Kronos One
without provocation, the chancellor and his advisors... "}
_____: yI<tlha'> ... yI<tlha'> (?)
(Again... Again!)
On Rura Penthe (each repeated several times):
Guard: yIghoS
[Get moving!] (untranslated)
Guard: yIghoStaH
[Keep moving!] (untranslated)
[shouting in klingon] (captions)
[yIghoStaH!] (captions)
Guard: yIHu'
[Get up!] (untranslated)
Guard: tugh tugh
[Hurry up!] (untranslated)
[tugh! tugh!] (captions)
Guard: tugh yIyIt
[Walk faster!] (untranslated)
Crossing the Klingon border at Mortagh Outpost Three:
[The officer at the Morska outpost is definitely speaking with an unusual
accent, and might be using what the core of the empire would consider
archaic speech. For example, when he was referring "that ship", he clearly
said Dujvetz. There's no tz sound in "High Klingon" (as we study it on this
list); it's apparently a dialectical variant of tlh. (ghunchu'wI')]
Kesla: <morska jIH> ("dialect" ??)
(This is listening post Morska.)
<morski ge> (what I heard)
Kesla: Dujvetlh 'oH nuq? rIn.
(What ship is that? ...over.)
<dujvetz oh nook? reen.> ("dialect" as heard)
[Dujvetlh 'oH nug? rIn.] (captions)
{"What ship is that? Identify yourselves."}
Uhura: tongDuj 'urISva' maH. jav Hogh maH Qo'noSvo'. rIn. [sic!]
(We am thy freighter...Ursva... Six weeks out of...Kronos.
[Over.])
{According to the novel, she was speaking in an "odd,
archaic dialect."}
Kesla: nuqDaq ghoS? rIn.
[nuq Daghoch? rIn. (ghunchu'wI': ghoch is "destination")]
(What is your destination? Over.)
<nookdak gros? reen.> ("dialect" as heard)
[nugDaq ghoS? rIn.] (captions)
{"Whither are you bound?" (responding in the same dialect)}
Uhura: rura' pente'Daq Soj Doch <yuS> vIqIch. rIn [sic!]
(Rura Penthe. We is condemning food...things and supplies.
Over.)
{We is condemning food...things and...supplies to Rura Penthe.
Over.}
[rura penteDag...] (captions)
(She meant vIHIj "I'm delivering.")
Kesla: ghewmey SuqQo' ("dialect")
(Don't catch any bugs!)
{i.e. "Good luck in avoiding border officials!" (smuggler's
code according to the novel)}
General Chang learns of Kirk's escape from Rura Penthe:
Warden: ... Qollu'ta' (?)
(They were beamed aboard a Federation Starship.)
["They were beamed away."]
Warden: qaghochnISlaH (?)
(I could trace...)
[I could trace for you...]
(or) qaghochbe'laH (alternate version)
[I can't trace [them] for you...]
Chang: narghta'? narghta'.
([They have] Escaped.)
Grokh: qay'be'. Daq SovlaHbe'taH qIrq.
(Kirk cannot know the location of the peace conference.)
{It does not matter ... Kirk cannot know the location.}
Chang: DaSovbej'a'? bISuDrup'a'?
(Are you sure? Will you take that chance?)
{Are you sure [of that]? ... Are you willing to take that
chance?}
Grokh: DeghwI'. <He chu'>. So'wI' yIchu'.
(Helmsman, make course to intercept Enterprise.)
{Helmsman... New course! Engage cloaking device.}
Helm: qaH!
[Yes, sir!]
------------------------------unverified fragments---------------------
Grokh: chuyDaH yIchu' (?)
(Engage thrusters!)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Dakronh in combat with Enterprise at Khitomer:
Chang: taH pagh... taHbe'.
("To be or not to be." (untranslated)
[taH pagh... taHbe'] (captions)
Chang: qatlh pa' ghoS
(What's she doing?)
[lit. "Why is she [the ship] going there?"]
Attempted assassination of Ra-ghoratrei and Azetbur at Khitomer:
Kerla: <ghowuv> (?)
[Rely on us!] (untranslated)
Guard: Qang yIQan
(Protect the Chancellor!)