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Re: Stovokor

Shane MiQogh ([email protected]) 

Steven Boozer <[email protected]> wrote:  Shane MiQogh:
> > ghe'torDaq jIHchugh, DaquvHa'lu'ta'.

ghunchu'wI':
>Leaving aside the conceptual strangeness of {-lu'} and {-ta'} on the
>same verb,

We've seen it before:

So'wI' chu'lu'ta'
The cloaking device has been engaged. TKD

Qollu'ta'
They were beamed aboard a Federation Starship. (subtitle) ST6
("They were beamed away.")

jagh lucharghlu'ta'bogh HuH ghopDu'lIj lungaSjaj
May the bile of the vanquished fill your hands! PK

as well as {-lu'} and {-pu'} together:

HeghqangmoHlu'pu'
It made him willing to die. TKD

tlhaqwIj chu'Ha'lu'pu'
My chronometer has stopped. TKD

nImbuS wejDaq 'ejDo' 'entepray' ngeHlu'pu'
The starship Enterprise has been dispatched to Nimbus III. (ST5 notes)

'entepray' Hub patmey luchu'be'lu'pu'
Enterprise defense systems are down. (ST5 notes)

Duj So'lu'pu'
The ship is cloaked
("Someone or something has cloaked the ship.") KGT

nIn Hoch natlhlu'pu'
All the fuel has been consumed. KGT

Soj raghmoHlu'pu'
The food has been decayed.
Someone has caused the food to decay. KGT

boqrat chej Qevlu'pu'bogh
stewed bokrat liver ("bokrat liver that has been stewed") KGT

Soj vutlu'pu'bogh
food that someone has prepared KGT

pIpyuS pach HaHlu'pu'bogh
pipius claw that has been marinated, marinated pipius claw KGT

yIntaHvIS qeylIS'e' lIjlaHbe'bogh vay' batlh 'etlhvam chenmoHlu'pu'
this sword of honor descends from the time of Kahless the Unforgettable. S8

wa'DIch tlhIngan Dujmey luleghlu'pu'bogh rur qItI'nga' Duj ...
Similar in configuration to the first Klingon vessels encountered,
the K'Tinga-class ... S15

ngongmeH wa' DujDaq nuHmey nISbe'bogh So'wI' jomlu'pu'
[A cloaking device which didn't disrupt weaponry was installed in one 
experimental ship.] S33

HovpoH Hut vagh cha' wa' vI' jav Dujvam 'aghlu'pu' 'ach Qaw'lu'pu'
[This ship was demonstrated on Stardate 9521.6 but it was destroyed.] S33

Shane MiQogh:
> > "If you're in grethor, one has dishonored you."

{quvHa'} is "be dishonored". To dishonor someone else, use {-moH}:

DaquvHa'moHlu'ta'
you have been (intentionally) dishonored
someone has (intentionally) dishonored you

Our two examples:

qaStaHvIS wej puq poHmey vav puqloDpu' puqloDpu'chaj je quvHa'moH vav 
quvHa'ghach
The dishonor of the father dishonors his sons and their sons for three 
generations. TKW

quvHa'; ghe'tor ngan rur
dishonored as an inhabitant of Gre'thor KGT

{quvHa'} by itself is a quality referring to the final state of 
dishonor. It says nothing about how the state was achieved - i.e. did 
someone or something dishonor you {quvHa'moH} or did you dishonor yourself 
{QuvHa''eghmoH}?

>how would your being in Grethor have anything to do with
>someone else's having been dishonored?

"According to mythology, when a dishonored Klingon dies, his
or her spirit goes to a place called Gre'thor, there to remain.
To speak of spirits escaping from Gre'thor is to speak of an
impossibility." (KGT 117)

"Fek'lhr is a somewhat ferocious mythological beast that guards
the entrance to Gre'thor, the place where the spirits of the
dishonored go." (KGT 130; cf. TKW 197)

Kortar was captain of the mythical Barge of the Dead; he destroyed
the gods who created him and as punishment he was condemned to
ferry the dishonored dead to Gre'thor (VOY "Barge of the Dead).

"This is the Barge of the Dead. Our dishonored souls are being
taken to Gre'thor." (VOY "Barge of the Dead")

You know, we've always assumed that your own actions lands you in Gre'thor, 
but I wonder... Do Klingons believe that you can be dishonored by someone 
else's actions? E.g. a ship's crew being dishonored en masse by the 
cowardly behavior of their captain fleeing an overwhelming enemy in 
panic? (Perhaps the dishonor would arise if the crew failed to kill the 
coward and take their ship back into combat to - hopefully - die gloriously.)



--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons



   
  Probably so. But even more notable is that the next 3 generations of everycoward also get dishonored.


		
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