tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Sun Jul 31 16:52:26 2005
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Re: new word #3
- From: "QeS lagh" <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: new word #3
- Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2005 09:52:11 +1000
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ghItlhpu' Holtej, ja':
>The word is {bop}, it's a verb meaning "be all about (something)." So for
>example, {HolQeD bopbe' paqvam} "this book is not all about linguistics."
jang Voragh, ja':
>I think {bop} will get a lot of use here on the List, along with {Del}
>"describe". Now we can retire {qel} in examples like these which I've
>collected over the years:
Yes, I think {bop} is going to get a lot of usage very soon. The meaning of
{qel} was definitely stretched, IMHO.
ja'taH:
>{qel} "take into account, consider" was a poor fit. I've always felt that
>it should have a person as its subject since considering is a type of
>thinking and books can't think. (OK, maybe computers can think.)
In my opinion, given the second gloss "take into account", one might be able
to say {HolQeD qel paqvam} "this book takes linguistics into account, this
book considers linguistics"; it could be said about, say, an archaeology
textbook that also deals with glottochronology. But it's nonetheless a big
step from {HolQeD qel paqvam} "this book takes linguistics into account" to
{HolQeD bop paqvam} "this book is about linguistics".
That being said, the only canon instances I could find of {qel} are the
proverb {Hoch nuH yIqel} "consider every weapon!" and its parallel {Hoch DuH
yIqel} "consider every possibility!", which are both clearly talking about
sentient consideration.
ja'taH:
>Related words include {buS} "concentrate on, focus on, think only about";
>{nga'chuq} "discuss, confer" and {ngach} "debate".
Er, I believe that "discuss, confer" is {ja'chuq}; {nga'chuq} is a different
thing entirely (viz. "perform sex"). That's not a pair to get mixed up.
{maja'chuqjaj} "let us discuss!" versus {manga'chuqjaj}... well, you get the
idea. {{:)
Savan,
QeS lagh
taghwI' pabpo' / Beginners' Grammarian
not nItoj Hemey ngo' juppu' ngo' je
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