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Re: how long is it?, etc.

Steven Boozer ([email protected])



Voragh:
> >>You may have to use {ngu'} with a relative clause as we've seen
> >>in other questions of this type:
> >>  'uj 'ar 'abbogh yIngu'!
> >>   Identify how many ujes it measures!

lay'SIv:
>What other questions of this type have we seen?

One example of an imperative + relative clause is from st.klingon (12/12/1996):

   So what about the "what" (or "which") of your original question
   ("What/which is your favorite month?")?  When asking someone a
   question of this type, you are really asking him or her to make
   a choice.  So just be a Klingon and order them to do so:
   "Identify the month that you very much prefer!":

      jar DamaSqu'bogh yIngu'

another from st.klingon (7/1999):

   Daq DaDabbogh yIngu'
   Identify the place where you live (i.e. Where do you live?)

   Perhaps a translation such as "Identify the place that you
   live at" or "Identify the place that you inhabit" is more
   revealing."

and one from KGT (p.105):

   Similarly, if a Klingon wants to know something, he or she
   may simply demand that the information be given. For example,
   a common way to say Which weapon do you want? is not as a
   question at all but instead as a command:
      nuH DaneHbogh yIngu'!
   (literally, "Identify the weapon that you want!").



>                                                This example looks
>like a Question-As-Object, and is therefore controversial at best.

I'm not sure of your point, since {'uj 'ar} "how many ujes?" is not a 
complete question (that is, it's not a properly formed sentence since it 
lacks a verb), just a noun phrase used as the object of the verb {'ab}, 
similar to {nIn 'ar} in:

   nIn 'ar wIghaj?
   How much fuel do we have (left)?  TKD/CK/PK

>Although I don't have any canon examples similar to it, the sentence
>above could (perhaps) be given better as
>{'uj mI' 'abbogh yIngu'!} - Identify the number of uj it measures!

Your version with {mI'} feels clumsy.  I suppose you could just use {'uj} 
alone:

   'uj 'abbogh yIngu'!
   Identify the ujes it measures.
   Identify the ujes it has a length of!

since the object of {'ab} "have a length of, measure" is always a number - 
i.e. {X 'uj} not *{'uj X} - which is the missing piece of information 
you're demanding be identified.



-- 
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons 






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