tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed May 07 01:10:29 2003
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Re: KLBC: {cha'}?
Am 07.05.2003 00:13:31, schrieb David Hand <[email protected]>:
>Thinking about this more: How ought I to express "oneself" as the indrect
>object?
Let's see what the book says:
TKD, section 4.2.1:
<<<
This suffix is used to indicate that the action described by the verb affects the performer of the
action, the subject. It is translated by English "self." When this suffix is used, the prefix set
indicating "no object'' must also be used.
{jIqIp'egh} "I hit myself" ({qIp} "hit")
{bIqIp'egh} "you hit yourself"
{qIp'egh} "he/she hits himself/herself"
It is also possible to use this suffix with imperative verbs. As with nonimperatives, the prefix
indicating "no object'' must be used.
{yIja''egh} "tell yourself!" ({ja'} "tell")
{peja''egh} "tell yourselves!"
>>>
> "Napoleon crowned himself emperor"
> "Give yourself more money"
>
>I suppose the first case could be expressed "Napoleon promoted himself
>to the rank of emperor": {voDleH patlhDaq num'egh "Napoleon"}
Okay, the grammar is correct. But the words seem to bother me.
I'm not sure if a "rank" is a place/location where you can use n#5 {-Daq}.
And then, {num} is a transitive verb, yes, but I'm not sure about the meaning of "promote"
The KLI has once been honoured by Marc Okrand, because we "promote" the Klingon Language:
{tlhIngan Hol Danummo' pIquvmoH}
But promoting to a rank...
I'll leave the better suggestions for public discussion.
>Would the second would be {SoHvaD Huch law' yInob}?
majQa'!
Some people might prefer to do this using the "prefix trick" (more on that later):
{Huch yInob'egh} "give yourself money"
Quvar
Beginners' Grammarian
ghojwI'pu'wI' vISaH.