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FW: -meH
- From: "John Terzis" <[email protected]>
- Subject: FW: -meH
- Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 19:28:54 +0300
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From: Quvar valer (Lieven) [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:25 PM
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Subject: Re: -meH
DloraH:
>ghojmeH taj boy's knife ("knife for learning")
>vutmeH 'un ("pot for preparing [food]"),
>pe'meH taj, a "knife for cutting."
>Ok, the first two could be "clipped" klingon.
>The other three could be a null prefix for "he"{ghaH}.
Could it not be just like what we know as "infinitive"?
{pe'meH} =
"in order to" + "cut"
"in order" + "to cut"
"for the purpose of" "to cut"
"for" + "to cut"
"for the purpose of cutting"
"in order to cut"
>But this one:
>>>>
>How much do you want for that?
> Dochvetlh DIlmeH Huch 'ar DaneH
><<<
>
>vI- would be the appropriate prefix.
Would it?
"How much do you want for that?" is a general question, no matter *who* pays
for it.
I see it as a noun-noun construction:
{Huch} - "money"
{DIlmeH Huch} - "money to pay (s.th.)"
{Dochvetlh DIlmeH Huch} - "money to pay this thing"
{Huch 'ar DaneH}
"How much money do you want?"
{Dochvetlh DIlmeH Huch 'ar DaneH}
"How much 'money-to-pay-this-thing' do you want?"
We have something similar in TKD section 6.2.4:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
{ja'chuqmeH rojHom neH jaghla'}
"The enemy commander wishes a truce (in order) to confer."
The prase {ja'chuqmeH rojHom} "a truce (in order) to confer" is the object
of the verb
{neH}
[...] a noun {rojHom} "truce" preceeded by the purpose clause {ja'chuqmeH}
"for the
purpose of conferring" or "in order to confer."
<<<<<<<<<<<<
One could also parse this differently, and I think most people read it like
that:
{Dochvetlh DIlmeH}
"To pay for this thing... "
{Huch 'ar DaneH}
"...how much money do you want?"
but I still think it's not meant like that. :-)
TKD 6.2.4 says "The purpose clause always precedes the noun or verb whose
purpose it
is describing"
1. our "purpose clause" is {DIlmeH} or even {Dochvetlh DIlmeH}.
2. our "noun whose purpose it is describing" is {Huch}
The purpose of the "money" is "to pay for" this "thing". I ask you, how much
(of this)
money do you want?
I hope my explanations were not too confusing or crazy, and if they are,
just read section
6.2.4 again, or scroll back ;-)
Quvar.
"batlh 'Iw muvmeH
Hem vumwI' tlhab"
P.S. or ask me!
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