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Re: lugh'a' mughghachvam?


>What can I say, I'm just not doing a very good job at explaining what I 
>mean.

ghobe', bIQapbej.  maQum.  maja'chuq.  loQ maghoH, loQ mangach.  Dun!

>"V-ed" is the past participle (so I hear) of the transitive verb "V". So
>the formula is meant to be used in situations where Alice can "V" Bob,
>rendering Bob "V-ed" as a result. I suppose Alice can't absentmind Bob?

"If English has a verb EV, and Klingon has a verb KV which matches the EV 
past participle (the EV-ed form), then KV + {-moH} will match EV."

Is that what you're saying?  Because what I heard was slightly different:

"If Klingon has a verb form KV that matches an English verb form EV-ed, then 
KV + {-moH} will match EV."  I guess  you're saying that words like "be 
skilled" and "be absentminded" don't break this rule because they're not 
past participle forms (EV-ed forms) in the first place; they're just 
adjectives that happen to end in "-ed."  My point was that KV (which is 
translated with an English form ending in "-ed") doesn't necessarily mean 
that KV + {-moH} will match that same English form without the "-ed" (in the 
non-past participle case).

I understand the desire to relate things to what you know in English.  
Hopefully we can help you get past it to the point where you're thinking, 
speaking and understanding in Klingon without having that extra step of 
going through English to get in the way.

>Anyway, I really appreciate the criticism. I usually don't explain things
>very well the first (second, third...) time because my theories seem so
>simple to me that I think I can cover them with few words. One of my
>weaknesses... But on the other hand I'm stubborn enough to explain them 
>over in
>detail until a) the others run away screaming or b) I'm proven wrong. :o)

I'm often told that I have a confrontational style of learning (perhaps a 
Klingon trait).  Get an idea, challenge it, see if it holds up.  I'm not 
attacking any individual (well, not usually ;).

>mulwI'

--Holtej

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