tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Tue Jul 29 10:05:07 2003
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Re: KLBC: The years sometimes teach us what the days never know.
Quvar:
> > {Dochmey'e' Sovbe'bogh jajmey rut nughojmoH DISmey}
> >
> > Unless you want to avoid the situation of a "transitive verb with -moH".
> > This can cause confusion, and some people like to rephrase this, just
> > like you suggested, with {-vaD}:
> >
> > {maHvaD Dochmey'e' Sovbe'bogh jajmey ghojmoH DISmey}
> >
> > I'm still not sure if this is the "perfect" solution. I'm a bit stick
> > with the idea of {ghoj}. What's its object?
DloraH:
>ghojmoH is really ghoj + -moH
>
> {maHvaD Dochmey'e' Sovbe'bogh jajmey ghojmoH DISmey}
> "The years cause the things (which days don't know) to learn for us."
>
>With the first option:
> {Dochmey'e' Sovbe'bogh jajmey rut nughojmoH DISmey}
>we might be able to get away with saying it is an -'e' in the "header"
>position, "As for things which..."
>
>One way to handle the objects of ghoj and ghojmoH is to use multiple
>sentences.
> "The years teach us (cause us to learn). We learn things which the days
> don't know."
> /nughojmoH DISmey. Dochmey'e' Sovbe'bogh jajmey DIghoj./
>
>And now someone will mention the canon:
> <<<
> qorDu'Daj tuq 'oS Ha'quj'e' tuQbogh wo'rIv. tuQtaHvIS Hem.
> ghaHvaD quHDaj qawmoH.
> The sash that Worf wears is a symbol of his family's house.
> He wears it proudly as a reminder of his heritage. [S20]
> >>>
>and possibly a fight will break out and blood will be spilled... again.
va! What's wrong with spilling a little blood! <g>
There's better canon WRT {ghojmoH}:
batlh qaghojmoHpu'
It has been an honor to instruct you. CK
batlh qaghojmoH
It has been an honor to instruct you. PK
In these examples - the only ones we have for {ghojmoH} BTW - the object is
the person being instructed. Unfortunately, we don't have canon for
{ghoj}, but presumably its object is what is being learned. E.g.
? tlhIngan Hol vIghoj.
I learn Klingon.
But I'm not sure how to say "I'm teaching you Klingon". One simple
solution is that the object *may* be either the subject or a person as
needed (as in English). E.g.
? DIvI' Hol vIghojmoH
I teach Federation Standard.
matlh vIghojmoH
I teach Maltz.
but
? matlhvaD DIvI' Hol vIghojmoH
I teach Federation Standard to Maltz.
? SoHvaD tlhIngan Hol vIghojmoH
I'm teaching you Klingon.
but (as usual!) we need more examples before I can say this is definitely
how it works.
But to get back to GusZilla's quote... A better question is whether {Doch}
"thing" can be used in this vague sense. Every single example of {Doch} in
canon that I know of refers to a physical object and not something
intangible, like a lesson or an example or a statement.
--
Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons