tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed Feb 19 17:31:35 2003
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Re: QongDaqDaq
You answered my question perfectly.
I guess when I look at:
tlhIngan Hol vIjatlhlaHbe' 'e' tob SuStel!
I see:
SuStel proves/is proving/will prove blah blah blah
and not:
SuStel proved that blah blah blah
My mind doesn't see any tense at all in the setance, it just makes it a
general something that is/has/will occur but doesn't tie it down to any
particular time. Hence the reason I over use the aspect markers.
> At least, we've never seen it used this way in the many examples we
> have. If you want, make it into two sentences:
>
> tlhIngan Hol vIjatlhlaHbe'. 'ej 'e' tob SuStel!
> I can't speak Klingon. And Sustel proved that!
I was always told not to start a sentance with 'and', or any conjunction
for that matter. The English has to be
I can't speak Klingon and SuStel proved that!
Hence the reason I did it as once sentance in Klingon. I know I shouldn't
let English syntax affect my Klingon, but as a programmer 'and' is a
logical statement as well and cannot be used at the start of a statement.
> 'e' tobpu' SuStel.
> Sustel has proven that.
>
> since this by itself is *not* a complex sentence, merely a simple sentence
> which is not part of a SAO construction. If so, {'e'} is just a pronoun
> here. So, you could either say
>
> tlhIngan Hol vIjatlhlaHbe' 'e' tob SuStel.
> Sustel proved that I can't speak Klingon.
>
> or
>
> tlhIngan Hol vIjatlhlaHbe'. 'ej 'e' tobpu' SuStel!
> I can't speak Klingon. And Sustel has proven that!
This is what I wanted to say, but again, starting a sentance with a
conjunction goes against the logic programming of my brain... I guess I'll
have to get over it.
How do you use 'e' as not part of a complex sentance, but in a sentance
with a conjunction. Conjunctions link two simple sentances so having the .
in there doesn't really matter, the 'ej removes the 'e's link back to the
previous sentance and turns it into a plain 'that'...
does that make sense?
So, saying:
tlhIngan Hol jatlh Qanqor 'ej 'e' vISov
means to me:
Krankor speaks Klingon and I know that.
and not:
I know that Krankor speaks Klingon. (with an and in there somewhere)
(would be tlhIngan Hol jatlh Qanqor 'e' vISov)
I guess I could use 'oH in there instead, and make the 'that' an 'it'
tlhIngan Hol jatlh Qanqor 'ej 'oH vISov!
Krankor speaks Klingon and I know it!
Just throwing some wierd ideas around to try and get some of the subtle
nuances (can't spell those words) of language and communication. :)
> If this isn't kosher, try using {-bej} "definitely, undoubtedly, certainly"
> to add the emphasis you're after:
Kosher, smosher... I want to get the meaning across, not worry about
semantics :) but I get the idea.
Thanks for the info :)
qurgh
Can spell better in Klingon than in English